Wireless theft?

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 09:53 AM

This is probably a bit deep for us but I've been having a heated discussion at work (telecoms company) over wireless broadband theft.

The argument - If your next door neighbour starts an unsecure wireless network, Is it a A- a criminal offence or B- Just a matter of morality, to use that connection for your own innocent use (non-illegal, no filesharing, no nudy pics).

Since the intro of free wireless hotspots around london, does this still constitute as theft?

Any thoughts?

Simon

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 09:55 AM

Please bare in mind the argument of an apple tree, if tree grows over the fence of your garden you are free to take fruit from your side

rogerdodger · 23-05-06, 09:55 AM

it all depends on what you use it for i guess

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 09:57 AM

medial internet use, no porn or illegal filesharing, all very innocent.

rogerdodger · 23-05-06, 09:58 AM

whats illegal filesharing

Kello · 23-05-06, 09:59 AM

Well if you go on http://apple.qj.net/ and there is a dude that is stealing WIFI from outside a apple store.

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rogerdodger

whats illegal filesharing

downloading music films etc which u dont have the license for ! lol

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kello

Well if you go on http://apple.qj.net/ and there is a dude that is stealing WIFI from outside a apple store.

Now thats cheeky

or just brilliant

rockykabir · 23-05-06, 10:04 AM

There is no excuse...it is theft as the owners are paying for that service, and you are using it without being authorised.

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rockykabir

There is no excuse...it is theft as the owners are paying for that service, and you are using it without being authorised.

Did the apple tree owners not buy the tree? - See 2nd post otherwise you'll think i'm mad

rockykabir · 23-05-06, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ssuarez

Did the apple tree owners not buy the tree? - See 2nd post otherwise you'll think i'm mad

soz..I meant generally - wireless theft should be considered as theft: there is no excuse.

But that's just me...I usually take the moral hardline approach with everything. If there are no moral standards, society would be a mess

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 10:13 AM

Very true, but the problem with this debate is that looking at it in two ways, I believe it is immoral but not necessarily theft

Diekund · 23-05-06, 10:21 AM

its their own fault for not having it secure really

not like its costing them anything extra for you stealing it

Scribbler · 23-05-06, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rockykabir

wireless theft should be considered as theft: there is no excuse.

I agree... up to a point.

Would you leave your car in the street with the doors unlocked? Or leave all you windows open in your house? Or leave your ipod or TV or computer in the middle of town in plain view?

If you did these things would you be surprised if someone stole them?

All wireless networks have advanced security options. If they're not used then you're wide open.

Unfortunately in this day and age you have to expect the worse from people

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 10:35 AM

So if someone doesnt take the correct measures (cut back their tree? lol) is it theft?

or just immoral.

rogerdodger · 23-05-06, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssuarez

downloading music films etc which u dont have the license for ! lol

oh thats terrible, i can't imagine many people do that

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rogerdodger

oh thats terrible, i can't imagine many people do that

I know, its terrible lol !

Damn no sarcastic smilie

Jon · 23-05-06, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Diekund

its their own fault for not having it secure really

not like its costing them anything extra for you stealing it

for isp's that give you a bandwidth quota a month it could be, extra charges or in some cases the cancelation of the connection

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 11:29 AM

very good point, what if were looking at an unlimited package. Although that would be hard to work out

ssuarez · 23-05-06, 11:30 AM

This is why I hate moral fibre debates

View Poll Results: Does using someones unsecure wifi connection constitute theft?
YES	5	31.25%
No - Just a question of moral fibre	11	68.75%
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23-05-06, 09:53 AM	#1
ssuarez iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 254	Wireless theft? This is probably a bit deep for us but I've been having a heated discussion at work (telecoms company) over wireless broadband theft. The argument - If your next door neighbour starts an unsecure wireless network, Is it a A- a criminal offence or B- Just a matter of morality, to use that connection for your own innocent use (non-illegal, no filesharing, no nudy pics). Since the intro of free wireless hotspots around london, does this still constitute as theft? Any thoughts? Simon

23-05-06, 09:55 AM	#2
ssuarez iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 254	Re: Wireless theft? Please bare in mind the argument of an apple tree, if tree grows over the fence of your garden you are free to take fruit from your side

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23-05-06, 09:57 AM	#4
ssuarez iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 254	Re: Wireless theft? medial internet use, no porn or illegal filesharing, all very innocent.

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23-05-06, 10:13 AM	#12
ssuarez iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 254	Re: Wireless theft? Very true, but the problem with this debate is that looking at it in two ways, I believe it is immoral but not necessarily theft

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Diekund iPod 20gb Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 627	Re: Wireless theft? its their own fault for not having it secure really not like its costing them anything extra for you stealing it

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ssuarez iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 254	Re: Wireless theft? So if someone doesnt take the correct measures (cut back their tree? lol) is it theft? or just immoral.

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ssuarez iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 254	Re: Wireless theft? very good point, what if were looking at an unlimited package. Although that would be hard to work out

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ssuarez iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 254	Re: Wireless theft? This is why I hate moral fibre debates

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