Fun poker game Sun 3rd May

[Jay86]

Originally Posted by Jon

I think the first hand decided the fate of the game....

lol, yeah i think so too.

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Jay86

barcelonic, how come you didn't play poker tonight? thought u were up for a game.

I thought only Em and Rob were playin and didnt wanna risk £5 on a small game. The fewer players there are the more it comes down to luck, and unless u come first you lose the money. (see my first post)

But ill be back in action next week with the new league, hope to see u there?
Should hopefully have more players this time round, as i think Furbs is kindly putting up a prize fund. That should mean better attendances each week.

So what happened on the first hand that decided the game tonight??

[Emma]

Jay had full house with two aces and rob had full house with 2 queens, one went all in and the other called! Jay won and Rob was out leaving Jay with 3000 and some chips and me with about 1400 - needless to say I lost lol

[rhysjones_1]

Originally Posted by arcticfox

geezus, lighten up. They were only joking

which larkino obviously agrees with, lol

Somehow i doubt it...

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Emma

Jay had full house with two aces and rob had full house with 2 queens, one went all in and the other called! Jay won and Rob was out leaving Jay with 3000 and some chips and me with about 1400 - needless to say I lost lol

Lol, sounds fun. Well done Jay!

So were there only 3 players?

[rob7b]

yeh i thought my dreams had come true when you re-raised me. I mean i'm sat there with trips after the flop and he re-raises.

if someone is good with poker odds i'd love to know what my odds were? I mean there was only one other 6 in the deck, so i'm thinking he has 1/23 (ish) chance of having the other 6...let alone an A too! oops

i had 6 + 3
jay had 6 + A

flop was 66A
turn was Q
river was Q

Well played though Jay!

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by rob7b

yeh i thought my dreams had come true when you re-raised me. I mean i'm sat there with trips after the flop and he re-raises.

if someone is good with poker odds i'd love to know what my odds were? I mean there was only one other 6 in the deck, so i'm thinking he has 1/23 (ish) chance of having the other 6...let alone an A too! oops

i had 6 + 3
jay had 6 + A

flop was 66A
turn was Q
river was Q

Well played though Jay!

What was the betting pattern like? When did she re-raise you? Flop, turn or river?

The odds of her having the six arent particularly important in this hand. She could have had pocket aces and trumped you that way, or pocket queens, or even AQ.
The key here was to you realising that of all full-house possibilities you had the worse one. Dont worry im not suggesting I would have folded, lol. Its never an easy thing to do, but if she is re-raising you (especially if she does it quick without thinking long and hard about it) then she's most likely got a full house of some kind. But that really depends on where you both went all-in:

On the flop? Watch out for pocket aces - she most likely wouldnt have raised pre-flop in case she scared you off playing the hand. If she re-raises you on the flop then call but ease your betting on the turn & river.

On the turn? Turn card doesnt do much for you, but for Jay could complete a stronger full-house than your own. So this is a bad card for you and ou should check to the river if she re-raised you on the flop.

On the river? Can see why you'd want to go all-in here, but hopefully the way she's played her hand so far will give you an indication. Most people won't bluff half their stack on the first hand of a game. Also, this final card may look good for you but it can be a pretty bad one in that all she needs is a single Queen to beat you (of cousre tho if she re-raised you on the flop then she probably wouldn't have had a queen unless she had Q6).

[Jay86]

Originally Posted by rob7b

yeh i thought my dreams had come true when you re-raised me. I mean i'm sat there with trips after the flop and he re-raises.

if someone is good with poker odds i'd love to know what my odds were? I mean there was only one other 6 in the deck, so i'm thinking he has 1/23 (ish) chance of having the other 6...let alone an A too! oops

i had 6 + 3
jay had 6 + A

flop was 66A
turn was Q
river was Q

Well played though Jay!

That was an extremely unlucky turn of events. I think I would probably have done exactly the same in Rob's shoes. You just wouldn't think the other person had the other 6 AND the A as well. You'd assume they were bluffing. And when you have a full house too...
Looking forward to the league. with more people it should definitely be more interesting.

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Jay86

That was an extremely unlucky turn of events. I think I would probably have done exactly the same in Rob's shoes. You just wouldn't think the other person had the other 6 AND the A as well. You'd assume they were bluffing. And when you have a full house too...
Looking forward to the league. with more people it should definitely be more interesting.

people usually bluff when they think their opponent has a weak hand. So if you raise to a large amount and the other person re-raises you they are unlikely to be bluffing because they know you are strong.

Whenever there is a pair on the board a full house becomes a possibility, but when there are two pairs on the board the likelihood of a fullhouse goes way up, meaning that its not as impressive a hand as it would be with just one pair on the board. And so in the example which happened with you two, there are four possibilities...

666QQ
QQQ66
QQQAA
AAAQQ

Rob had the worst one as you can see, but there are three fullhouses which top his hand. Add to that the following possibility...

QQQQA

Then you can see that the following pocket cards would trump Rob's hand...

Q2
Q3
Q4
Q5
Q6
Q7
Q8
Q9
Q10
QJ
QQ
QK
AA
AQ
A6

(15 possibilities)

...Which is why i mentioned before that the odds of your opponent having the 6 in their hand is largely irrelevant, because only two of the above possible winning hands contain it.

[rob7b]

1st hand all in after the flop so i didnt see the turn or river, hence why the i figured chances of having jay having a 6 was pretty small. at that point the only hands that would have been up on me were pocket As or a higher 6, (or 6 + A). Those chances must have been pretty slim. Forget the Q's as they i never saw them until after my play

you can see what i mean now.

anyway its only poker, short lived fun. At least i made the final table again

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by rob7b

1st hand all in after the flop so i didnt see the turn or river, hence why the i figured chances of having jay having a 6 was pretty small. at that point the only hands that would have been up on me were pocket As or a higher 6, (or 6 + A). Those chances must have been pretty slim. Forget the Q's as they i never saw them until after my play

you can see what i mean now.

anyway its only poker, short lived fun. At least i made the final table again

i gotcha now. ye that makes perfect sense. i always hate it wen that happens.

this conversation is making me wanna play a game so im off to login to full tilt

[Dim Tim]

I agree that it's hard to fold three of a kind (not trips) but you sometimes face those situations if you play bad hands pre-flop

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Dim Tim

three of a kind (not trips)

dont they mean the same thing tho?

[Dim Tim]

Originally Posted by barcelonic

dont they mean the same thing tho?

Nope. Trips is when both of your hole cards are the same, and you hit the third one on the flop. Three of a kind is when only one of your hole cards is the same as two of the cards on the flop.

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Dim Tim

Nope. Trips is when both of your hole cards are the same, and you hit the third one on the flop. Three of a kind is when only one of your hole cards is the same as two of the cards on the flop.

Ye i think ive heard that before. I still just think of it as a 3ofakind, but i usually use the term 'set'.

But assuming ur classification is right, im not sure i understand ur comment. Cus surely its harder to fold a set if you have a pocket pair?

If i only have one of them in my pocket cards then I find it easy enough to fold when i have a low kicker and think someone else has it. Especially an Ace or King. Depends on the betting patterns tho

[Dim Tim]

Originally Posted by barcelonic

Ye i think ive heard that before. I still just think of it as a 3ofakind, but i usually use the term 'set'.

But assuming ur classification is right, im not sure i understand ur comment. Cus surely its harder to fold a set if you have a pocket pair?

If i only have one of them in my pocket cards then I find it easy enough to fold when i have a low kicker and think someone else has it. Especially an Ace or King. Depends on the betting patterns tho

What I meant to say is that it's hard to fold three of a kind, (which is often mistakenly called trips)...didn't comment about how hard it is to fold it. But yeah I agree with you, it's a lot harder to fold a set.

Sorry about the confusion