Trade your CDs for an iPod (US Only)

[GingerTez]

Originally Posted by Morphius04

what gets me is if i download Mp3's illegally, but have signed up to iTunes for example how can they prove that i havent purchased the mp3's

as far as I know.... when you download from the iTunes music store your username is digitally signed against the downloaded file (which isn't in mp3 format). And also, their database records who purchases what music - primarily for accounting purposes but it can also be used to track purchases if required.

Cheers,
Tez.

[rockykabir]

Originally Posted by GingerTez

or more accurately... you own the license to play the tracks which is what you REALLY purchase when you buy any media these days whether it's music, video, books, or computer software, etc etc

Sony even wanted to remove this right by installing those root kits with the Music CDs....this prevented you from ripping them onto your computer.

Luckily, they got caught red handed - hopefully it would prevent this becoming a trend in the music business

[Morphius04]

it will do.... the new mp3 format the are tryign to get together will only allow 3 copies. and each copy cannot be copied. but the only way they can do this (and microsoft IS helping to create this) is everytime you hit the copy button, it writes to the file...

[rockykabir]

Windows Vista will be DRM enabled......meaning you can only play legally retrieved content on your PC or Media Center.

Microsoft going to bed with the Entertainment industry is gonna be their downfall imo...Hopefully Apple won't jump onto the same bandwagon

[Morphius04]

it will have DRM enabled but you cant protect against mp3's that dont require a license when it first comes out, cd's will be difficult to rip and transfer, but there will be a way they is with everything. mp3's ripped off a cd at the moment are generally, just mp3's nothing more hence they can be transferred and not traced, when vista comes out, in order to impliment a DRM system, you need every new cd and every cd ripper to also impliment it....

[rockykabir]

I could be completely wrong about this but I thought I read that Vista will search from the signed signature which permits it to be played. If there is no signature, it won't be played..

However, tbh, it did sound a bit ridiculous when I first read it - I mean, this will be a real killer shot to their own foot by Microsoft. I reckon it was prolly written by some Apple fanboy

[Morphius04]

they wont be able to impliment that. people create their own music, that wont have a signiture....

[GingerTez]

mp3 files don't contain a digital signature as far as I know... it's the Media Player WMA files and the iTunes m4a (?I think that's the extension?) files that have the digital sig.

Could be wrong, but that's my undertanding of it.

Cheers,
Tez.

[Morphius04]

mp3 dont at the moment, they are trying to create them that have it though

[bruffterman]

if they can create a DRM protected mp3 file, that could be a bit of a kick, but it won't be compatible with all the current mp3 players so I doubt it would gain acceptance.

What we really need to do is to encourage more companies to start supporting ogg vorbis on their hardware. (they will still play fine on vista btw i'm sure).

I don't plan to "upgrade" to vista however, by the time XP is no longer supported I should've completed the transition to linux.

[rockykabir]

Maybe there'll be no conventional OS's in the near future if Google has it's ways...

[Morphius04]

I think googles plans will be similar to Microsoft when IBM was top, but personally i think microsoft will see that that will happen and attempt a merge with google. Also new music formats will come out rendering the mp3 useless similar to cd's :P

[rockykabir]

Free national Wifi access, the agreement with Open Office, Google Base - The online OS is what Google is ultimately aiming for - and this is what is making MS cack their pants sideways. All you'll need is a light client computer - No Windows req

[Morphius04]

FreeWiFi will never happen. yo may be able to get wifi anywhere but will still have to pay to connect, it may happen but will eb similar to dial up in the sense you'll have to dial in to the web

[rockykabir]

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1887465,00.asp

[Morphius04]

thats in cali, onces it works properly google will start charging especially if it gets to be nationwide

[rockykabir]

The topic has changed a tad from the original post hasn't it - but its quite an interesting discussion anyway.

The plan is to keep it free - like the GMail service. The idea is that you log on, there will be ad words here and there. Trust me, a free service is a lot more profitable than people first percieve

Imagine you're in the street looking for a shop. With your thin client computer or phone, google will advise you where to go or cheapest place to find the item.

For an example of an online OS btw, check out http://www.writely.com - an online based Word processor. Bear in mind its a bit basic atm as its just a small company but imagine Google and their brains doing their bit?