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Cyburn · 23-09-05, 07:01 AM

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Trevor Edwards · 23-09-05, 10:41 AM

i cant be arsed with politics

they all say one thing and do another

wasnt this the party that had Robert Kilroy Silk in it.
they mostly target muslims and islam dont they..

there pretty much on the same side as the bnp arnt they?

i dont know were you draw the line. on wanting the best for your country and not being targeted as a rasist with these far right party's?

but when you read in the paper every day about the likes of abu hamza
and then the july 7th bombings

then you read how muslims get a special morgage rate
and the homes fully furnished and even
there windows cleaned every week at the tax payers expense.
and free fertility treatment at over Â£3000 a go (this does upset me)
Â£1000 grant towards a second hands car
the latest freemobile phones and a free top up vouchers
and benefits for the 2nd 3rd and so on wifes.

i can see how this upsets people.
i just dont understand why the goverment gives it them.

im not a religous person and i believe that it the reason for all wars.
but apparently the goverment is planing to introduce islam into schools?
why i really dont know but every day children will have to say a short prayer about allah followed by the saying peace be upon him.

i for one would be telling my daughter not to say the following
and if that was a problem they can see me in person :smile:

it must be something to do with swinging the vote to labour again.

ok trevs now steps down off his soap box.

HeadCrab · 23-09-05, 01:21 PM

Yep UKIP = the pensioner's BNP

Amanda · 23-09-05, 04:52 PM

I don't think that's true about having to say Muslim prayers. The press latch on to things about education and run with them! At the moment many schools say a prayer, including those that are not church schools, but others don't. That's up to the school, but they are very general ones to God, usually no mention of Jesus so that they could still work for Muslims and Jews. Parents have the right to request their children do not attend when this is happening. Parents also have the right to withdraw their children from RE lessons. In most schools this shouldn't be necessary as it's taught as general knowledge, but in other schools it can be a bit preachy so I can understand this. No school, even church schools, tries to convert pupils or staff.

As for UKIP, wasn't Robert Kilroy Silk sacked for being a racist? I think one of the most amazing and beautiful things about our country is the richness and diversity of culture, and the new cultures that are formed when these meet. Differences shoudn't be ignored and brushed under the carpet, they should be celebrated. Everyone tells their children that we are all different but equally special, shouldn't that be said of cultures as well as individuals?

As for the bombers, it's not Islam that's the problem, it's extremism. It's extremism of all forms. If the racist white gangs and Muslim extremists (and all others) didn't exist the world would be a better place.

That's my pennniesworth and I feel a lot better now! So...... anyone getting anywhere with this free ipod lark then?

Djm · 24-09-05, 12:15 AM

Nice post Amanda. Mainly because I agree with everything you said which means I don't have to repeat it.

I'm so glad they took on Kilroy, it lost them any respect they had because he's just the biggest moron in the media.

Trevor Edwards · 24-09-05, 09:19 AM

yeh verry well put.

as for my post the info was from a leaflet that was pushed through my door by the bnp.
so cant verify it or say if its true.

Morphius04 · 24-09-05, 09:40 AM

UKIP = ******** I'm sorry but how can you support a bunch of racists, ok they arent as racist etc as BNP but they dont believe in the good of the country.... and considering your at uni, they isnt ANYTHING they'll do to help you....

Lib Dems are the ones to go for for young people, but unfortuntately Labour are the ones that help most voting people... but i wont turn this into a political debate because it could get quite heated

drkul · 24-09-05, 10:19 AM

yeah give the lib dems a chance and watch them crush at the weight of responsibility

i mean i loooove the lib dems in theory, but i just dont think they could cut it in power

trev that scares me that you believed what was written in a BNP flyer

i doubt they were going to make children do prayers to islam or anything, i think they meant teach people about islam as compulsory education maybe?

remember what amanda says is right, its the extremists from every religion/non religious background that ruin for all us nice middlemen

Trevor Edwards · 24-09-05, 10:37 AM

i didnt say i believed it

i said if that was the case i wouldnt allow my daughter to say it.

i dont favour any political party
as they all promise the earth and dont come up with the goods.

Morphius04 · 24-09-05, 11:09 AM

Politics = lies.... but i dont believe you can complain if you dont vote.... if you vote (even if you make your vote void and not countable) then you can voice your opinion...
only time not voting you can voice your opinion is in a boycott, but you need about half the population in UK to have any effect

kaibayashi · 25-09-05, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevor Edwards

i didnt say i believed it

i said if that was the case i wouldnt allow my daughter to say it.

i dont favour any political party
as they all promise the earth and dont come up with the goods.

No offense Trev, but if you're gonna post stuff that you have admitted is likely to start (heated) debate (eg here and the moon landing thread), and it is not actually your opinion, perhaps you should make a point of saying that in the original post.... you could, you know... use the {QUOTE}{/QUOTE} tags?? :P

bruffterman · 25-09-05, 08:33 PM

If anyone is interested I've done a little research into the whole religion in schools thing, my daughter is going up to secondary school next year and as we've been touring the local schools i've had chance to talk to the RE teachers. (having been the victim of christian parents, I am very anti-organised religion of any kind. so it's a matter of some importance to me.)

First in the UK all schools are required to have "daily collective worship" the government guidlines state that 49% of this should be chrisitian whilst the rest should be concerning other faiths. Schools can opt out of the christian part if for instance the local community is largly of another faith. I think this is the bnps concern as in largly muslim areas all the local schools are choosing this path thus turning the tables as it were and making the christian kids "unwelcome" minority. what's interesting and certainly wrong about this is that a school does not have the choice to be athistic.

Also in the recommend secondary school RE sylabus (in Lincolnshire at least), approx 80% is focused on the christian faith, about 15% islam and judaism, and the rest across other faiths. (basicly your bu**ered if your a buddhist)

Of course yes you do have the option to withdraw your child, but by doing so you make them a social outcast.

in short religion is the country is totally screwed up, at least in the US, prayer in schools is banned.

better stop now before I start offending people with my total anti-religionness.

But I will ask one last thing, what would be your reaction be if you saw an advert on TV for pepsi that went something like "Hey kids, if you don't drink pepsi, you'll spend eternity in damnation, where you'll suffer such horific tortures that it will set your soul on fire and turn your hair white."

oh and yeah the bnp (ukip are as bad) are a bunch of racists who have no agenda other then to get rid of the asylum seekers, 15 mins after they got into power it would be like "umm so what do we do now?"

Amanda · 25-09-05, 09:59 PM

I don't have kids of my own but it's my job to know about these things. The primary R.E. syllabus in this country is indeed biased towards Christianity, since it is a mostly Christian country, but only about a third. Another third is general topics, such as pilgrimage or holy books, the final third divided between the other religions (Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism and Sikhism).

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruffterman

Of course yes you do have the option to withdraw your child, but by doing so you make them a social outcast.

I have known many children withdrawn from R.E. teaching and I don't think the other kids even noticed, let alone consider them any differently with regards to thier social status. Children are constantly going off individually or in groups these days so nobody really questions it.

The "act of collective worship" is a really misleading term and I think they should change it. Basically they mean assembly. It doesn't have to include anything I would consider "worship" since in many schools it's never religious, more moral teaching. I have never understood why they call it that! Of course in some schools it is prayer etc but only if it's a faith school and you would know about it. For example if you sent your child to "Our Lady of the Rosary RC Primary" then you can expect Catholic prayers every day and grace said at mealtimes. There are also Islamic schools, where they do indeed say Muslim prayers in much the same way. However, if you send your child to a community (rather than volantury aided, i.e. faith) school, you shouldn't expect much in the way of prayers that are specific to any religion.

I know I'm straying off topic a little but these are the sorts of things the likes of the BNP take and twist - nobody will be making your children say Muslim prayers if you don't want them to, just like you wouldn't ask a Muslim to say the Hail Mary if you're a Catholic! These parties, and more terrifyingly extremist/racist groups, get support of decent folk by blowing things out of proportion. This information should be made clearer publicly, you shouldn't have to "do research" to find it out, and this is part of the problem.

I'm really pleased this discussion has been started, especially with so many of you being parents. It's the first step to eradicating all the rubbish that is spread by the media and more malicious groups.

Trevor Edwards · 26-09-05, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaibayashi

No offense Trev, but if you're gonna post stuff that you have admitted is likely to start (heated) debate (eg here and the moon landing thread), and it is not actually your opinion, perhaps you should make a point of saying that in the original post.... you could, you know... use the {QUOTE}{/QUOTE} tags?? :P

lol ok no offense taken
( no one can ever get the better of someone that doesnt give a s***)

ok the moon landing thread was from www.zfilter.com

i never posted about the ukip and dont really believe in politics

and the infomation i posted was qoutes from a leaflet that was posted to my house by a bnp candidate during the elections and because i was bored and still had a big supply of toilet roll i decided to read it instead.

all the infomation i qouted was from the leaflet that can be seen at the link below.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/resources/gimme5-2.pdf

do i believe that man walked on the moon : not sure 50/50

do i condone the actions of ukip or bnp : no as there to far right for me.

the moon landing thread was made as i thought it may well have got some of are ghost members to start posting..
it didnt work.

Amanda · 26-09-05, 07:01 PM

Like I said, this really has got people talking and I think that's a good thing. People are so quick to jump to the offensive when it comes to these things. I don't know Cyburn so I don't know his reasons for supporting this party, I'm sure he's a decent bloke. (You are a man right, Cyburn? Sorry if I'm wrong!) The questions raised in Trevor's post were also totally reasonable. I think anyone reading this knows my opinion but at least we can talk about it and hopefully listen to one another. If the rest of the country was like that then it would be a much nicer place!

Quite frankly I think we should start our own party of all-round-nice-types. Exceem users for government! First to go green for me on freeipods.com gets to be prime minister!

rogerdodger · 26-09-05, 07:23 PM

ican see the headlines now " prime minister accepts bribe for re-shuffle"

Trevor Edwards · 26-09-05, 07:31 PM

good one i like it

23-09-05, 07:01 AM	#1
Cyburn iPod 20gb Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 660	UKIP forum http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/ I am a member of this forum as I am a UKIP Supporter

23-09-05, 10:41 AM	#2
Trevor Edwards Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: cheshire Posts: 2,328	i cant be arsed with politics they all say one thing and do another wasnt this the party that had Robert Kilroy Silk in it. they mostly target muslims and islam dont they.. there pretty much on the same side as the bnp arnt they? i dont know were you draw the line. on wanting the best for your country and not being targeted as a rasist with these far right party's? but when you read in the paper every day about the likes of abu hamza and then the july 7th bombings then you read how muslims get a special morgage rate and the homes fully furnished and even there windows cleaned every week at the tax payers expense. and free fertility treatment at over Â£3000 a go (this does upset me) Â£1000 grant towards a second hands car the latest freemobile phones and a free top up vouchers and benefits for the 2nd 3rd and so on wifes. i can see how this upsets people. i just dont understand why the goverment gives it them. im not a religous person and i believe that it the reason for all wars. but apparently the goverment is planing to introduce islam into schools? why i really dont know but every day children will have to say a short prayer about allah followed by the saying peace be upon him. i for one would be telling my daughter not to say the following and if that was a problem they can see me in person :smile: it must be something to do with swinging the vote to labour again. ok trevs now steps down off his soap box. Last edited by Trevor Edwards; 23-09-05 at 10:52 AM..

25-09-05, 08:33 PM	#12
bruffterman iPod 30gb Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lincoln Posts: 1,391	If anyone is interested I've done a little research into the whole religion in schools thing, my daughter is going up to secondary school next year and as we've been touring the local schools i've had chance to talk to the RE teachers. (having been the victim of christian parents, I am very anti-organised religion of any kind. so it's a matter of some importance to me.) First in the UK all schools are required to have "daily collective worship" the government guidlines state that 49% of this should be chrisitian whilst the rest should be concerning other faiths. Schools can opt out of the christian part if for instance the local community is largly of another faith. I think this is the bnps concern as in largly muslim areas all the local schools are choosing this path thus turning the tables as it were and making the christian kids "unwelcome" minority. what's interesting and certainly wrong about this is that a school does not have the choice to be athistic. Also in the recommend secondary school RE sylabus (in Lincolnshire at least), approx 80% is focused on the christian faith, about 15% islam and judaism, and the rest across other faiths. (basicly your bu*ered if your a buddhist) Of course yes you do have the option to withdraw your child, but by doing so you make them a social outcast. in short religion is the country is totally screwed up, at least in the US, prayer in schools is banned. better stop now before I start offending people with my total anti-religionness. But I will ask one last thing, what would be your reaction be if you saw an advert on TV for pepsi that went something like "Hey kids, if you don't drink pepsi, you'll spend eternity in damnation, where you'll suffer such horific tortures that it will set your soul on fire and turn your hair white." oh and yeah the bnp (ukip are as bad) are a bunch of racists who have no agenda other then to get rid of the asylum seekers, 15 mins after they got into power it would be like "umm so what do we do now?" Last edited by bruffterman; 25-09-05 at 08:39 PM..*

23-09-05, 01:21 PM	#3
HeadCrab iPod Nano 2GB Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 191	Yep UKIP = the pensioner's BNP

23-09-05, 04:52 PM	#4
Amanda Super Panda Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,503	I don't think that's true about having to say Muslim prayers. The press latch on to things about education and run with them! At the moment many schools say a prayer, including those that are not church schools, but others don't. That's up to the school, but they are very general ones to God, usually no mention of Jesus so that they could still work for Muslims and Jews. Parents have the right to request their children do not attend when this is happening. Parents also have the right to withdraw their children from RE lessons. In most schools this shouldn't be necessary as it's taught as general knowledge, but in other schools it can be a bit preachy so I can understand this. No school, even church schools, tries to convert pupils or staff. As for UKIP, wasn't Robert Kilroy Silk sacked for being a racist? I think one of the most amazing and beautiful things about our country is the richness and diversity of culture, and the new cultures that are formed when these meet. Differences shoudn't be ignored and brushed under the carpet, they should be celebrated. Everyone tells their children that we are all different but equally special, shouldn't that be said of cultures as well as individuals? As for the bombers, it's not Islam that's the problem, it's extremism. It's extremism of all forms. If the racist white gangs and Muslim extremists (and all others) didn't exist the world would be a better place. That's my pennniesworth and I feel a lot better now! So...... anyone getting anywhere with this free ipod lark then?

24-09-05, 12:15 AM	#5
Djm iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 297	Nice post Amanda. Mainly because I agree with everything you said which means I don't have to repeat it. I'm so glad they took on Kilroy, it lost them any respect they had because he's just the biggest moron in the media.

24-09-05, 09:19 AM	#6
Trevor Edwards Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: cheshire Posts: 2,328	yeh verry well put. as for my post the info was from a leaflet that was pushed through my door by the bnp. so cant verify it or say if its true.

24-09-05, 09:40 AM	#7
Morphius04 iPod 30gb Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,160	UKIP = ******** I'm sorry but how can you support a bunch of racists, ok they arent as racist etc as BNP but they dont believe in the good of the country.... and considering your at uni, they isnt ANYTHING they'll do to help you.... Lib Dems are the ones to go for for young people, but unfortuntately Labour are the ones that help most voting people... but i wont turn this into a political debate because it could get quite heated

24-09-05, 10:19 AM	#8
drkul iPod 60gb Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,880	yeah give the lib dems a chance and watch them crush at the weight of responsibility i mean i loooove the lib dems in theory, but i just dont think they could cut it in power trev that scares me that you believed what was written in a BNP flyer i doubt they were going to make children do prayers to islam or anything, i think they meant teach people about islam as compulsory education maybe? remember what amanda says is right, its the extremists from every religion/non religious background that ruin for all us nice middlemen

24-09-05, 10:37 AM	#9
Trevor Edwards Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: cheshire Posts: 2,328	i didnt say i believed it i said if that was the case i wouldnt allow my daughter to say it. i dont favour any political party as they all promise the earth and dont come up with the goods.

24-09-05, 11:09 AM	#10
Morphius04 iPod 30gb Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,160	Politics = lies.... but i dont believe you can complain if you dont vote.... if you vote (even if you make your vote void and not countable) then you can voice your opinion... only time not voting you can voice your opinion is in a boycott, but you need about half the population in UK to have any effect

26-09-05, 07:01 PM	#15
Amanda Super Panda Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,503	Like I said, this really has got people talking and I think that's a good thing. People are so quick to jump to the offensive when it comes to these things. I don't know Cyburn so I don't know his reasons for supporting this party, I'm sure he's a decent bloke. (You are a man right, Cyburn? Sorry if I'm wrong!) The questions raised in Trevor's post were also totally reasonable. I think anyone reading this knows my opinion but at least we can talk about it and hopefully listen to one another. If the rest of the country was like that then it would be a much nicer place! Quite frankly I think we should start our own party of all-round-nice-types. Exceem users for government! First to go green for me on freeipods.com gets to be prime minister!

26-09-05, 07:23 PM	#16
rogerdodger iBook Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: orkney Posts: 2,151	ican see the headlines now " prime minister accepts bribe for re-shuffle"

26-09-05, 07:31 PM	#17
Trevor Edwards Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: cheshire Posts: 2,328	good one i like it