Man U - Aalborg BK highlights

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 09:32 PM

Following a recent thread, I decided to upload...

YouTube - Manchester United 2-2 Aalbork BK Goals 10/12/08, Score, Ronaldo

(On a random account, so my main one doesn't get banned - dunno why they would ban me, but better to be safe than sorry :b)

If anyone could rate/comment/favourite, that would be great

thanx

the_saint · 10-12-08, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgrou

dunno why they would ban me,

Probably because you uploaded a video that you claim you own the copyright in, but do not. This is a breach of their T&C's so that would probably be why.

Larkino · 10-12-08, 09:47 PM

done (username - Ghefly)

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by the_saint

Probably because you uploaded a video that you claim you own the copyright in, but do not. This is a breach of their T&C's so that would probably be why.

aaah, ok.

Does that mean that every youtube video that contains footage not created by the uploader is a breach of their copyright T&C's?

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 09:50 PM

Lol, I'm a "douche" apparantly

EDIT - Sorry for double post

Seems to be going well, 50 views in under 1/2 hour

the_saint · 10-12-08, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgrou

Does that mean that every youtube video that contains footage not created by the uploader is a breach of their copyright T&C's?

Not necessarily, you can own the copyright or have a license in something you didn't create. But if neither of these apply then yes you will be in breach.

lalala54321 · 10-12-08, 10:06 PM

I got banned on my 2nd account yesterday. I uploaded a complilation of cristiano ronaldo from last season which got removed. Then match of the day, 'goal of the month' which got removed. And lastly some champions league highights (from last night) and that was three strikes and out.

Copyright laws are a farce.

the_saint · 10-12-08, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lalala54321

Copyright laws are a farce.

Why? Because they stop you copying things that other people have paid a lot of money for the rights to in order for you to exploit them for a profit?

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care either way if people will use this method but at least acknowledge what you are doing is a bit naughty and hold your hands up when the account gets banned!

Certain aspects of copyright law are a farce - particularly the duration of the rights - but not for the reasons above. They are the very reasons they are in existence.

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the_saint

Why? Because they stop you copying things that other people have paid a lot of money for the rights to in order for you to exploit them for a profit?

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care either way if people will use this method but at least acknowledge what you are doing is a bit naughty and hold your hands up when the account gets banned!

Certain aspects of copyright law are a farce - particularly the duration of the rights - but not for the reasons above. They are the very reasons they are in existence.

While we are on the subject...

Spoiler

lalala54321 · 10-12-08, 10:18 PM

If i pay for the TV license, or sky and then watch there advertising in order to watch a programme or sport then fair enough. If i then want to share that then i think its quite within my right to. If i was to make a profit off that then i can understand the gross over reaction to copyright around the globe today.

The truth is, A) People arnt making profit off these things (or very rarely) B) People have usually paid for the right to watch or own the material in question and thus should be able to share it and C) It is not taking profits away from the people who made it in the first place.

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lalala54321

If i pay for the TV license, or sky and then watch there advertising in order to watch a programme or sport then fair enough. If i then want to share that then i think its quite within my right to. If i was to make a profit off that then i can understand the gross over reaction to copyright around the globe today.

The truth is, A) People arnt making profit off these things (or very rarely) B) People have usually paid for the right to watch or own the material in question and thus should be able to share it and C) It is not taking profits away from the people who made it in the first place.

Okay, I think I can answer your questions, but the_saint will probably be better than me...

A) I'm going to be (hopefully) making a profit - in greenage form

B)I didn't pay, I got it off some website
C)Why should people watch it on ITV, when they can watch it on youtube on demand, for free? It saturates the market

There we go

the_saint · 10-12-08, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lalala54321

If i pay for the TV license, or sky and then watch there advertising in order to watch a programme or sport then fair enough. If i then want to share that then i think its quite within my right to.

The license is to watch and copy for time shifting purposes only. It isn't a license to copy for redistribution or anything else like that. Clearly as a matter of commercial principle if it was then it would be much more expensive. Hence you are clearly not within your right to copy and redistribute it.

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If i was to make a profit off that then i can understand the gross over reaction to copyright around the globe today.

The truth is, A) People arnt making profit off these things (or very rarely)

Aren't you using this method to get greens? So is that not a profit? So you can understand the "gross over reaction"?

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B) People have usually paid for the right to watch or own the material in question and thus should be able to share it and C)

Nope. Usually people will have paid for the right simply to watch the material in question. Very rarely (and never if we are talking about general consumers) will the copyright in the material have been assigned, it will simply be a license to watch subject to quite a lot of restrictions.

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It is not taking profits away from the people who made it in the first place.

Debatable, but even if I accept your point then you are still making a profit which is why one of the remedies for copyright infringement is an account of profits.

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 10:27 PM

Told you the_saint would do better

lalala54321 · 10-12-08, 10:33 PM

I admit, people that use it for greenage can be construed as gaining profit but as copyright laws as a whole i think thats complete BS.

People still go to the cinema, still attend football matches, still watch match of the day, still buy DVDs etc etc more so than ever on every account. And even IF 'they' were losing profit, which there NOT, i wouldnt really feel sorry for them anyway.

The stuff pepole download or watch online such as highlights or DVDs, they wouldnt otherwise PAY for. Thats the fudemental issue people forget. Im not gonna go out and buy some old DVD of some long gone 80's movie but if its available for download then im gonna download it. People miss football matches, miss the highlights well there not gonna pay for more. But if there easily available online then people will watch them.

Like i said, copyright laws are a farce.

the_saint · 10-12-08, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lalala54321

I admit, people that use it for greenage can be construed as gaining profit but as copyright laws as a whole i think thats complete BS.

I don't understand. Copyright law is contained in the Copyright Designs and Patents Act. It is a really big act. There is decades worth of case law supporting it. Yet you are dismissing the whole of copyright laws out of hand because it stops you uploading videos on to YouTube.

I'm always happy to have a reasoned debate with someone and will always respect someone's viewpoint if they can justify it to a greater or lessor extent, but I'm struggling to understand your point of view.

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People still go to the cinema, still attend football matches, still watch match of the day, still buy DVDs etc etc more so than ever on every account.

But imagine if there was no copyright law. Would you still go out to the cinema and pay your money to watch a film, or buy a TV license to watch match of the day if you get the same content for free at home?

Maybe you would still go and see the blockbuster to get the experience, but a hell of a lot of people wouldn't - so much so that the budget would be slashed and the film probably wouldn't get made in the first place. This would affect the smaller films where the size of the screen etc. has little effect on the enjoyment. So there would be no films.

The BBC wouldn't invest money in the latest TV cameras and production techniques so you would just some guy with a video camera videoing the match to upload later - a much poorer experience.

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And even IF 'they' were losing profit, which there NOT, i wouldnt really feel sorry for them anyway.

Blimey, if you were losing profit would you feel sorry then? As it is someone else losing out you don't care?

Think about it. Do you think the beatles would have gone on to have as many songs as they did if they were not able to exploit their work and earn a living that way? If they were not making money from it they would have had to get full time jobs which would have severely affected their song writing time.

Don't like the Beatles? Same applies to every band, actor, author, director you can think of. Artistic work as we know it would dissappear.

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The stuff pepole download or watch online such as highlights or DVDs, they wouldnt otherwise PAY for. Thats the fudemental issue people forget. Im not gonna go out and buy some old DVD of some long gone 80's movie but if its available for download then im gonna download it.

I accept that may be the case for a lot of people, but how do you know that is the case for "everyone"? You don't.

In any event, like I said that 80's movie wouldn't have been made if it wasn't for copyright law.

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Like i said, copyright laws are a farce.

Don't confuse your arguments with copyright law. Like I said, it ain't perfect but it's certainly not a farce.

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lalala54321

I admit, people that use it for greenage can be construed as gaining profit but as copyright laws as a whole i think thats complete BS.

People still go to the cinema, still attend football matches, still watch match of the day, still buy DVDs etc etc more so than ever on every account. And even IF 'they' were losing profit, which there NOT, i wouldnt really feel sorry for them anyway.

The stuff pepole download or watch online such as highlights or DVDs, they wouldnt otherwise PAY for. Thats the fudemental issue people forget. Im not gonna go out and buy some old DVD of some long gone 80's movie but if its available for download then im gonna download it. People miss football matches, miss the highlights well there not gonna pay for more. But if there easily available online then people will watch them.

Like i said, copyright laws are a farce.

What if you made a cracking video, but before you could market it properly, someone else copied it and made a fortune?
I'm guessing you might like copyright laws when you could use them to sue the hell out of that guy, wouldn't you.

The laws are to protect everyone, not just the "big companies".

arcticfox · 10-12-08, 10:59 PM

I'm just back from the game in question.........I'm sure thats what the original topic was about.

Anyway, my question. I know that its "naughty" to put videos on youtube that dont belong to you but.......if I was at the game and filmed a few bits could I then put them on youtube as they would belong to me?

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 11:01 PM

I'm 99.9% sure you are allowed to put up clips you have filmed yourself...

lalala54321 · 10-12-08, 11:06 PM

If you would like a reasoned debate that perhaps you should try being less condecending. I apologise if "you struggle to understand my poiny of view" and of course this whole issue is simply because of my YouTube account.

I didnt say that there should be no copyright law whatsoever i meant that current laws are a farce. People downloading films has increased dramatically of the past few years and it has does nothing to limit the growth of Hollywood and independant cinema. People are still profiting despite the option to obtain the media elsewhere. When VHS came out and you could record anything off the TV did people just stop watching it because they could just obtain it elsewhere? Did people set up illegal businesses selling BBC programmes, make profits and bring the BBC to its knees? No and they wouldnt do it even if they could. People will still pay for media, its happening at this very moment. Peolpe should just be allowed to share it.

I think we should just agree to disagree and perhaps stop hijacking the thread.

mcgrou · 10-12-08, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lalala54321

If you would like a reasoned debate that perhaps you should try being less condecending. I apologise if "you struggle to understand my poiny of view" and of course this whole issue is simply because of my YouTube account.

I didnt say that there should be no copyright law whatsoever i meant that current laws are a farce. People downloading films has increased dramatically of the past few years and it has does nothing to limit the growth of Hollywood and independant cinema. People are still profiting despite the option to obtain the media elsewhere. When VHS came out and you could record anything off the TV did people just stop watching it because they could just obtain it elsewhere? Did people set up illegal businesses selling BBC programmes, make profits and bring the BBC to its knees? No and they wouldnt do it even if they could. People will still pay for media, its happening at this very moment. Peolpe should just be allowed to share it.

I think we should just agree to disagree and perhaps stop hijacking the thread.

that made me

Anyway, back on topic... *suddenly realizes that there never was a "topic"*

10-12-08, 09:32 PM	#1
mcgrou - - - - - - - Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: - Posts: 5,156	Man U - Aalborg BK highlights Following a recent thread, I decided to upload... YouTube - Manchester United 2-2 Aalbork BK Goals 10/12/08, Score, Ronaldo (On a random account, so my main one doesn't get banned - dunno why they would ban me, but better to be safe than sorry :b) If anyone could rate/comment/favourite, that would be great thanx __________________ Spoiler Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned - Tyler

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mcgrou - - - - - - - Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: - Posts: 5,156	Lol, I'm a "douche" apparantly EDIT - Sorry for double post Seems to be going well, 50 views in under 1/2 hour __________________ Spoiler Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned - Tyler Last edited by mcgrou; 10-12-08 at 09:53 PM..

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mcgrou - - - - - - - Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: - Posts: 5,156	Told you the_saint would do better __________________ Spoiler Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned - Tyler

10-12-08, 10:59 PM	#17
arcticfox blah blah blah Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Here Posts: 18,022	I'm just back from the game in question.........I'm sure thats what the original topic was about. Anyway, my question. I know that its "naughty" to put videos on youtube that dont belong to you but.......if I was at the game and filmed a few bits could I then put them on youtube as they would belong to me? __________________ Free Nintendo 3DS Free iPhone 4 Free PS3 Free iPad 2

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lalala54321 iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The 'Pool Posts: 349	I got banned on my 2nd account yesterday. I uploaded a complilation of cristiano ronaldo from last season which got removed. Then match of the day, 'goal of the month' which got removed. And lastly some champions league highights (from last night) and that was three strikes and out. Copyright laws are a farce.

10-12-08, 10:18 PM	#10
lalala54321 iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The 'Pool Posts: 349	If i pay for the TV license, or sky and then watch there advertising in order to watch a programme or sport then fair enough. If i then want to share that then i think its quite within my right to. If i was to make a profit off that then i can understand the gross over reaction to copyright around the globe today. The truth is, A) People arnt making profit off these things (or very rarely) B) People have usually paid for the right to watch or own the material in question and thus should be able to share it and C) It is not taking profits away from the people who made it in the first place.

10-12-08, 10:33 PM	#14
lalala54321 iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The 'Pool Posts: 349	I admit, people that use it for greenage can be construed as gaining profit but as copyright laws as a whole i think thats complete BS. People still go to the cinema, still attend football matches, still watch match of the day, still buy DVDs etc etc more so than ever on every account. And even IF 'they' were losing profit, which there NOT, i wouldnt really feel sorry for them anyway. The stuff pepole download or watch online such as highlights or DVDs, they wouldnt otherwise PAY for. Thats the fudemental issue people forget. Im not gonna go out and buy some old DVD of some long gone 80's movie but if its available for download then im gonna download it. People miss football matches, miss the highlights well there not gonna pay for more. But if there easily available online then people will watch them. Like i said, copyright laws are a farce.

10-12-08, 11:01 PM	#18
mcgrou - - - - - - - Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: - Posts: 5,156	I'm 99.9% sure you are allowed to put up clips you have filmed yourself... __________________ Spoiler Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned - Tyler

10-12-08, 11:06 PM	#19
lalala54321 iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The 'Pool Posts: 349	If you would like a reasoned debate that perhaps you should try being less condecending. I apologise if "you struggle to understand my poiny of view" and of course this whole issue is simply because of my YouTube account. I didnt say that there should be no copyright law whatsoever i meant that current laws are a farce. People downloading films has increased dramatically of the past few years and it has does nothing to limit the growth of Hollywood and independant cinema. People are still profiting despite the option to obtain the media elsewhere. When VHS came out and you could record anything off the TV did people just stop watching it because they could just obtain it elsewhere? Did people set up illegal businesses selling BBC programmes, make profits and bring the BBC to its knees? No and they wouldnt do it even if they could. People will still pay for media, its happening at this very moment. Peolpe should just be allowed to share it. I think we should just agree to disagree and perhaps stop hijacking the thread.