User on Hold

[matkavs]

Sorry to bring this up again.

After verifying for weeks, I now log in to find two users on hold, now I am back to 8 green referrals.

What I want to know is, is it alright to just start again and get a couple more referrals??

Thanks! Was looking forward to playing on my 360 in the next few weeks! Looks like it will be a few months!

[SwedishTom]

Yup, no probs at all.. just get your next 2 refs and hopefully that will be ok.. unlees you want to be on the safe side and get 1 or 2 extra that is!

Cheers
Tom

[Tab]

What Tom said...

Tab

[matkavs]

Thanks for the response guys!

Much appreciated! Does Re-verifying take 20 business days again or is it quicker?

Ta

[Tab]

Let me know when you submit your account again.

Tab

Originally Posted by matkavs

Thanks for the response guys!

Much appreciated! Does Re-verifying take 20 business days again or is it quicker?

Ta

[matkavs]

Originally Posted by Tab

Let me know when you submit your account again.

Tab

Excellent service Tab! Cheers.

I wanna play Saints Row looks awesome!

[Mica]

Exactly the same as me today!!

Lost two greens but that takes me to 9 now...

Tab I shall also be in touch (hopefully...)

[Vampyros]

I had 2 put on hold but i had 13 so im guessing thats ok? theres no way i can have more put on hold now im onto processing is there?

[Trevor Edwards]

Quick Question
my ps3 acount had a person go on hold.
he had completed the screenselect offer

i dont know of this person personally and he signed up via my high ranking domain via a search engine anyway.

if you get paid the commission still and the guy just trys to scam you by say for example multi acounts.
and you put his acount on hold
then why cant you still honour his green to the person who refered him as im sure you would have still made money from his participation.

This isnt just addressed at tab its to every network
is it because its just a nice little profit earner or is there more too it?

Sincerly
Trev

[Tab]

Originally Posted by Trevor Edwards

Quick Question
my ps3 acount had a person go on hold.
he had completed the screenselect offer

i dont know of this person personally and he signed up via my high ranking domain via a search engine anyway.

if you get paid the commission still and the guy just trys to scam you by say for example multi acounts.
and you put his acount on hold
then why cant you still honour his green to the person who refered him as im sure you would have still made money from his participation.

This isnt just addressed at tab its to every network
is it because its just a nice little profit earner or is there more too it?

Sincerly
Trev

ooooo get you "he signed up via my high ranking domain"

Anyway, 99.9% of the time we do not get paid, as if someone has created multiple accounts, they have more than likely also scammed their way through multiple offer complitions. Also its just the rules, you are not allowed more than one account. I think saying that it is a "nice little profit earner" when we get paid for someone that has been put on hold is a little short sighted (no offense), although profit is what any business is about otherwise there is no point being in business.

Sites like mine rely on the people that don't make it to the end, either by giving up or by breaking the rules. I can't speak for any other network, but on all my sites the amount of referrals needed to claim any free gift does not cover the cost of the item. Therefore we are out of pocket for every gift we send out, the extra money needed is made up from the profit from people who complete offers but never complete the site. I don't think im telling anyone anything they don't already know here, the business model is well known.

So to recap, as much fun as sending free gifts to people is, I need to make a living

Tab

[the_icks]

Originally Posted by Tab

Sites like mine rely on the people that don't make it to the end, either by giving up or by breaking the rules.

Although I agree with you completely on all of the above... I worry that the above sentence might come back bite you or other site owners on the arse!!

This gives the impression that you (not you in particular) are actively pursuing rule breakers not for fraud prevention but for profiteering... I know this is not the case and I have had much help from you personally and other site owners when I have had grey areas regarding referrals.

My opinion regarding this thread is that I agree that when greens are so hard to come by people should not be penalised for referrals breaking the rules unless deliberate fraud can be proved... I think maybe an amber worth half a green - or maybe a third!!

Especially with the current state of play where there are so many tracking issues with new offers.

Nobody expects site owners to be living the champagne lifestyle, more likely the Lambrini lifestyle.

[Tab]

Originally Posted by the_icks

Although I agree with you completely on all of the above... I worry that the above sentence might come back bite you or other site owners on the arse!!

This gives the impression that you (not you in particular) are actively pursuing rule breakers not for fraud prevention but for profiteering... I know this is not the case and I have had much help from you personally and other site owners when I have had grey areas regarding referrals.

My opinion regarding this thread is that I agree that when greens are so hard to come by people should not be penalised for referrals breaking the rules unless deliberate fraud can be proved... I think maybe an amber worth half a green - or maybe a third!!

Especially with the current state of play where there are so many tracking issues with new offers.

Nobody expects site owners to be living the champagne lifestyle, more likely the Lambrini lifestyle.

I take your point, and I can certainly say in all honesty that I have never pursued rulebreakers for profiteering reasons. The sole reason for placing those who break the rules on hold is to prevent further fraud. The vast majority of those placed on hold have so blatantly broken the rules of the site with the sole intention of obtaining a free gift fraudulently, they are lucky I don't pursue further action against them let alone only place them on hold. In the end this harms all of us in the long term as it affects the relationship I have with my advertisers.

I do see your point that it does seem unfair that we seemingly penalise someone by placing a fraudulent referral on hold when they themselves may not have had anything to do with that referral, but in reality it really is the only option. Simply reducing the amount that referral is worth is tantamount to endorsing their behaviour - "sure its fine if you try and scam us, we'll just give you half credit rather than a whole one". We would be out of business quicker than you can say "insolvent".

Tab

[the_icks]

thanks for the reply!! wasnt totally serious about the half credit!! but I do think that where it is a crucial green for a proactive member there may be a spare one somewhere!!

I am currently in debate cos screenselect claim I have already had an active account..wheras that is bollocks, but I have had my green removed and so the person who referred me has lost the green too. The response from the site was we take the advertisers word as final... now thats all very well but I have no right of appeal or redress. thats where I feel the system can be abused... and now I have no ability to redo or replace that green so there are 2 people affected, and as far as I am concerned, one less site to do.

So, looking at it from a the other perspective it is very frustrating. I know the person who referred me and vise versa. She didnt have a highranking website.... In cases like this what would you suggest, how would your site handle such a situation, where no fraud has taken place but an advertiser has refused to credit.

Ian

[Trevor Edwards]

Originally Posted by Tab

ooooo get you "he signed up via my high ranking domain"

Originally Posted by Tab

I think saying that it is a "nice little profit earner" when we get paid for someone that has been put on hold is a little short sighted (no offense)

lol it is high ranking site i worked hard on it

for the keyword free ps3 the site is 1st on uk yahoo and 2nd on usa yahoo
and im 5th on google

just thought i would add from my high ranking site so it dont look like im personally affiliated with the people that are on hold.

and seen as you never replyed to my pm tab
would you anwer my question on
would it be ok to get 35 or say 40 greens for alienware pc on your xbox 360 site.
as getting greens for xbox360 is a lot easyer then the alienware site.
im sure you would make money on 40 participating signups. as that would go off in to a few branches that would get more green and so on as you know

i lookforward to your reply and hope you will say yes

as for my post i was asking on behalf of everyone.
If you dont ask you dont get.

best regard mr magoo

[Tab]

Originally Posted by the_icks

In cases like this what would you suggest, how would your site handle such a situation, where no fraud has taken place but an advertiser has refused to credit.

Cases like that should definitey be dealt with on an individual basis, not simply given the general treatment. Not sure which network you are talking about, but first off I would have spoken to my contact at SS and asked what was happening. This sort of situation is hard to deal with as obviosuly the site owner has not got paid. It really would depends on what SS say, who the user was, what state the account was in, what proof you could provide etc...

Tab

[Tab]

Originally Posted by Trevor Edwards

and seen as you never replyed to my pm tab
would you anwer my question on
would it be ok to get 35 or say 40 greens for alienware pc on your xbox 360 site.
as getting greens for xbox360 is a lot easyer then the alienware site.
im sure you would make money on 40 participating signups. as that would go off in to a few branches that would get more green and so on as you know

i lookforward to your reply and hope you will say yes

Unfortunately not. If we said yes we might as well simply add LOVEFiLM to alienware, then it would be as easy to get greens on as 360. We would simply not make enough to reasonably cover the cost of the PC.

Tab

[alex.hulme]

Originally Posted by Trevor Edwards

lol it is high ranking site i worked hard on it

for the keyword free ps3 the site is 1st on uk yahoo and 2nd on usa yahoo
and im 5th on google

You do well in the searches because there's not a lot of competition out there for those keywords - the sites got a pagerank of 3/10. Exceems homepage has 4/10 so I'd try and sneak a few backlinks in from exceem (you are the site admin right??)

[Trevor Edwards]

yeh
i got 5 on tabs site and 10 on an other site
i know that the site wont rank well once it comes out
thats why i make the most of it now

and tab i never noticed alienware didnt have lovefilm
no problem

thanks for taking the time to answer the question

[matkavs]

Got my greens back now!

Needed 2 more after 2 were on hold, now got another 4 so status is 12/10!

Woo Hoo - Reverifying.

[freeipodhei]

I did have 10/10 people for my 360 account but then one of my referrals was put on hold for some reason. I understand though that he completed his offer genuinely and he is on hold due to other reasons while getting his own referrals. However, the bottom line is he completed my offer genuinely and yet his green status on my account has been removed. This strikes me as completely unfair!