Trial to help reduce fraud.

Tab · 21-11-06, 11:37 PM

Hey all,

On the registraion page of our 360 site we have added a new checkbox with aim of reducing fraud, spam, and deceptive practices when referring users. The new check box says:

I would like to be referred by the person that sent me here - ID:*****

This box is basically and opt-in/opt-out box designed so the person can easily choose to be the referral of whoever sent them there. With people using all sorts of tactics to get people to our site, some extremely deceiving, we feel giving users the chance to opt out of being a persons referral is an important right.

The box is ticked by default, and those gaining legitimate referrals, referrals that are fully aware of what they are doing when they are taken to our site, should have no problem with this new system.

We are trialing this on our 360 site and depending on the results and feed back, we may decide to roll it out to all our sites.

Tab

biggad · 22-11-06, 08:41 AM

i don't like the sound of that

**the_icks** · 22-11-06, 08:46 AM

so if the person says no, do they sign up without a referral therefore negating all the efforts we hae gone to to get the bloody referral or will they just not be able to join?

what would be the the point of referral links when you are giving them the opportunity to basically sign up without going green for anyone else, this is a license to print money for you!!!

This is a blatent act against ebay auctions and domain forwarding and is a sorry state of things to come.

**the_icks** · 22-11-06, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tab

With people using all sorts of tactics to get people to our site, some extremely deceiving, we feel giving users the chance to opt out of being a persons referral is an important right.

all sorts of tactics... lol

extremely decieving... lol

maybe tab would like to clarify exactly what these specifically mean.....

perhaps... freebie sites being extremely decieving and using all sorts of tactics to avoid giving freebies would be more appropriate... I am astonished by the pedantic stalling tactics used with both greens I have had to get with Giveaway sites.. has anyone ever actually got a green without a manual credit?

FurbtasticM · 22-11-06, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by the_icks

.....this is a license to print money for you!!!

The reverse may well apply if people choose to opt out and referrals dry up.

I personally get a good few yellows from my web page and that is set up with clear instructions - people can then click picture links to take them to a number of different freebie sites. My referral link isn't specifically stated but they know what they are getting into, so hopefully they wouldn't opt out.

I would certainly be interested to see how visible the opt out box is though - presumably quite prominent (so as not to deceive with opt in by default ?

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The one thing I don't agree with Tab is the reference to fraud. If someone is going to set up mulitple accounts, they will just opt in regardless. Or am I missing something there?

**the_icks** · 22-11-06, 10:16 AM

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Lots of grief from the wife for spending so much time on my pc chasing freebies !

How long did you have to wait for approval.... I have been waiting for approval now for several months... not getting anywhere close... lol

FurbtasticM · 22-11-06, 10:25 AM

I don't want to go off topic but suffice it to say that my only hope of satisfaction is "manual" credit -

Bassetts · 22-11-06, 10:44 AM

When was this put into place Tab? Because I think this may be the bloody reason that I have been getting about 2 bloody referrals over the past 2 weeks compared to 30+ in 6 days.

I thought that verifying was to clamp down on the spammers etc.

EDIT: Just thought, this could be the end of the eBay method. All those smart ebayers that realise they are being referred by the person may decide to sign up but not help the referrer out. I think this is just another way for giveaway to earn money as less people will be able to get the referrals now.

Bassetts · 22-11-06, 10:55 AM

Plus I cannot see how logically this can reduce spam.

E.G. Some guy spams his link on a forum, some idiot then clicks it and decides not to be referred by him but sign up anyway. They then spam their link all over the net.

It just means more money for giveaway as it will be harder to get referrals and in reality we will have to refer more people just to get the amount we need. Where as before we were referring 10 people for a 360 I can now see this rising up to referring 50+, to make up for the ones who did not leave the box checked. Just for the 10 that we actually need.

biggad · 22-11-06, 11:10 AM

I like giveaway a lot. their low refs and well layed out sites are very helpful but i will not be starting any other of their sites until i know that this will not go ahead.

Bassetts · 22-11-06, 11:19 AM

Well it is already up on their site. I just want to know what is going to decide if this feature stays, the eXceem feedback? or how much more money they get from it?.

Yes I missed out whether it would reduce spam and fraud as I do no see how it will, it will probably just increase it because we will need more referrals.

ReflexReact · 22-11-06, 11:53 AM

I can understand why Giveaway have done this - it'll make them a lot more money. I can also see why people here are pissed - it will cause them a lot more grief!

I however, don't care either way as I've completed 360 and gameconsoles now!

Doh, although i did just remember i intended to do the ipod site!

In fairness, i had twice as many referals go green when I gave them the link WITH the referal ID clearly visable. People who clicked that clearly didnt care / understand that I was refering them, so I'm not sure it will make things THAT much harder for you guys!!

Bassetts · 22-11-06, 11:55 AM

Well I have noticed a rather big fall in number of referrals the past few days, this would explain it. Peoples mentality towards having the option of being referred is normally "why should I help this guy out".

ReflexReact · 22-11-06, 11:58 AM

Considering they only implemented it like yesterday I doubt thats the reason!

Bassetts · 22-11-06, 12:00 PM

Considering 2 days ago I put my auction up and yesterday starting getting questions, I think it is very possible. I seriously have seen a huge difference in this auction and my previous one, and they are identical!

goodapollo · 22-11-06, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassetts

I seriously have seen a huge difference in this auction and my previous one, and they are identical!

There's your problem then. Most people will have seen your first listing and will now be wised-up to your second one. The referrals you're gettin are likely to be 'first timers'.

mrbean · 22-11-06, 12:19 PM

Using the ebay method is both agaisnt the terms and conditions of Ebay - and many freebie sites.

Maybe if people stopped using ebay Tab wouldnt need to introduce this method.

Peace out.

FurbtasticM · 22-11-06, 12:36 PM

My initial reaction was that this was a bad idea but don't lose sight of the fact that it is a "trial". If the outcome is that the networks' income stream is reduced, then they will go back to the way it always was.

Mica · 22-11-06, 12:37 PM

Pretty much agree with most of the above - sucks, but understandable. Can't see it being too successful in the long run tbh, I'm sure Giveaway is making enough money to not need to do this! Pretty please tab! Just give us a bit longer/lots of warning!

Bassetts · 22-11-06, 12:41 PM

Ok, I have calmed down a bit now. It is only a trial and hopefully it will not stay. I can only see it being successful getting giveaway more money, until people realise its harder to get referrals for giveaway then people will move elsewhere. I suppose it is'nt that bad considering I am only 1 green away, 3-4 for safety.

21-11-06, 11:37 PM	#1
Tab Giveaway Network Owner Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 846	Trial to help reduce fraud. Hey all, On the registraion page of our 360 site we have added a new checkbox with aim of reducing fraud, spam, and deceptive practices when referring users. The new check box says: I would like to be referred by the person that sent me here - ID:***** This box is basically and opt-in/opt-out box designed so the person can easily choose to be the referral of whoever sent them there. With people using all sorts of tactics to get people to our site, some extremely deceiving, we feel giving users the chance to opt out of being a persons referral is an important right. The box is ticked by default, and those gaining legitimate referrals, referrals that are fully aware of what they are doing when they are taken to our site, should have no problem with this new system. We are trialing this on our 360 site and depending on the results and feed back, we may decide to roll it out to all our sites. Tab

22-11-06, 08:41 AM	#2
biggad iPod 30gb Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Peterborough Posts: 1,024	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. i don't like the sound of that

22-11-06, 08:46 AM	#3
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. so if the person says no, do they sign up without a referral therefore negating all the efforts we hae gone to to get the bloody referral or will they just not be able to join? what would be the the point of referral links when you are giving them the opportunity to basically sign up without going green for anyone else, this is a license to print money for you!!! This is a blatent act against ebay auctions and domain forwarding and is a sorry state of things to come. __________________

22-11-06, 10:16 AM	#6
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Received Lots of grief from the wife for spending so much time on my pc chasing freebies ! How long did you have to wait for approval.... I have been waiting for approval now for several months... not getting anywhere close... lol __________________

22-11-06, 10:25 AM	#7
FurbtasticM ..is a Muppet! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Swindon Posts: 10,243	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. I don't want to go off topic but suffice it to say that my only hope of satisfaction is "manual" credit - __________________ iPhone deals \| Giveaway \| Free iPhone \| Free iPad

22-11-06, 10:44 AM	#8
Bassetts iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 540	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. When was this put into place Tab? Because I think this may be the bloody reason that I have been getting about 2 bloody referrals over the past 2 weeks compared to 30+ in 6 days. I thought that verifying was to clamp down on the spammers etc. EDIT: Just thought, this could be the end of the eBay method. All those smart ebayers that realise they are being referred by the person may decide to sign up but not help the referrer out. I think this is just another way for giveaway to earn money as less people will be able to get the referrals now. Last edited by Bassetts; 22-11-06 at 10:47 AM..

22-11-06, 10:55 AM	#9
Bassetts iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 540	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Plus I cannot see how logically this can reduce spam. E.G. Some guy spams his link on a forum, some idiot then clicks it and decides not to be referred by him but sign up anyway. They then spam their link all over the net. It just means more money for giveaway as it will be harder to get referrals and in reality we will have to refer more people just to get the amount we need. Where as before we were referring 10 people for a 360 I can now see this rising up to referring 50+, to make up for the ones who did not leave the box checked. Just for the 10 that we actually need.

22-11-06, 11:10 AM	#10
biggad iPod 30gb Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Peterborough Posts: 1,024	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. I like giveaway a lot. their low refs and well layed out sites are very helpful but i will not be starting any other of their sites until i know that this will not go ahead.

22-11-06, 11:19 AM	#11
Bassetts iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 540	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Well it is already up on their site. I just want to know what is going to decide if this feature stays, the eXceem feedback? or how much more money they get from it?. Yes I missed out whether it would reduce spam and fraud as I do no see how it will, it will probably just increase it because we will need more referrals.

22-11-06, 11:53 AM	#12
ReflexReact iPod 20gb Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England Posts: 581	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. I can understand why Giveaway have done this - it'll make them a lot more money. I can also see why people here are pissed - it will cause them a lot more grief! I however, don't care either way as I've completed 360 and gameconsoles now! Doh, although i did just remember i intended to do the ipod site! In fairness, i had twice as many referals go green when I gave them the link WITH the referal ID clearly visable. People who clicked that clearly didnt care / understand that I was refering them, so I'm not sure it will make things THAT much harder for you guys!!

22-11-06, 11:55 AM	#13
Bassetts iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 540	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Well I have noticed a rather big fall in number of referrals the past few days, this would explain it. Peoples mentality towards having the option of being referred is normally "why should I help this guy out".

22-11-06, 11:58 AM	#14
ReflexReact iPod 20gb Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England Posts: 581	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Considering they only implemented it like yesterday I doubt thats the reason!

22-11-06, 12:00 PM	#15
Bassetts iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 540	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Considering 2 days ago I put my auction up and yesterday starting getting questions, I think it is very possible. I seriously have seen a huge difference in this auction and my previous one, and they are identical!

22-11-06, 12:19 PM	#17
mrbean iPod 20gb Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 832	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Using the ebay method is both agaisnt the terms and conditions of Ebay - and many freebie sites. Maybe if people stopped using ebay Tab wouldnt need to introduce this method. Peace out.

22-11-06, 12:36 PM	#18
FurbtasticM ..is a Muppet! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Swindon Posts: 10,243	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. My initial reaction was that this was a bad idea but don't lose sight of the fact that it is a "trial". If the outcome is that the networks' income stream is reduced, then they will go back to the way it always was. __________________ iPhone deals \| Giveaway \| Free iPhone \| Free iPad Last edited by FurbtasticM; 22-11-06 at 12:40 PM..

22-11-06, 12:37 PM	#19
Mica iPod 30gb Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,089	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Pretty much agree with most of the above - sucks, but understandable. Can't see it being too successful in the long run tbh, I'm sure Giveaway is making enough money to not need to do this! Pretty please tab! Just give us a bit longer/lots of warning! __________________ My rubbish Cheap iPhone incomplete Cheap iPad websites Free iPods

22-11-06, 12:41 PM	#20
Bassetts iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 540	Re: Trial to help reduce fraud. Ok, I have calmed down a bit now. It is only a trial and hopefully it will not stay. I can only see it being successful getting giveaway more money, until people realise its harder to get referrals for giveaway then people will move elsewhere. I suppose it is'nt that bad considering I am only 1 green away, 3-4 for safety.

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