All Points Bulletin

[Schism]

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.apb.com/

[jp607]

looks awesome! I'm definitely signing up for the beta

[delude]

Looks amazing! Just seen a video on youtube though from 2006 with a trailer, why did they release a trailer 3 years ago for it?

[oXoDCoXo]

because they are lazy and haven't done any work on it for the past two years and have only just decided to finish it off (if thats not the answer then thats a good question... never seen a game be that long in the making)

[ElectroGirl]

It looks really good! At first, it looked abit (to me) like Grand Theft Auto, but it looks EVEN better than that
I might join

[JohnRowley]

Originally Posted by oXoDCoXo

because they are lazy and haven't done any work on it for the past two years and have only just decided to finish it off (if thats not the answer then thats a good question... never seen a game be that long in the making)

They were busy making the original Crackdown.

Also, 3 years is nothing, Duke Nukem Forever began life in 1997 and was only canceled last month. That's 12 years in development. Too Human began in 1999 and was released last year. 3 years is actually quite normal in game development.

[oXoDCoXo]

Originally Posted by JohnRowley

They were busy making the original Crackdown.

Also, 3 years is nothing, Duke Nukem Forever began life in 1997 and was only canceled last month. That's 12 years in development. Too Human began in 1999 and was released last year. 3 years is actually quite normal in game development.

wow, never knew that... how come the call of duty games come out much quicker... or are they in development of the others now before the next one is released ?

[delude]

I guess the COD games don't require such complex and new game engines to be built each time, as seems the case with APB.

[JohnRowley]

Originally Posted by oXoDCoXo

wow, never knew that... how come the call of duty games come out much quicker... or are they in development of the others now before the next one is released ?

COD is different. 1, 2, 4 and 6 were made/are being made by Infinity Ward, 3 and 5 were made by Treyarch. Each game still only takes roughly 2 years, but because it switches developer each time, it appears to be a yearly franchise.

[delude]

I read that Duke Nukem Forever was the longest game every in production, so it can't really be used as a normal comparison.
APB looks like it could be the start of proper online and interactive gaming

[kevan321]

Originally Posted by oXoDCoXo

wow, never knew that... how come the call of duty games come out much quicker... or are they in development of the others now before the next one is released ?

Didn't they start Modern warfare years before it came out but had to do COD 3 before?

[JohnRowley]

Originally Posted by kevan321

Didn't they start Modern warfare years before it came out but had to do COD 3 before?

As soon as Infinity Ward finished COD2, they would of begun work on Modern Warfare, while Treyarch were finishing COD3. As soon as Treyarch finished COD3, they would of begun working on COD5:WAW. And again, as soon as Infinity Ward finished Modern Warfare, they would of begun working on Modern Warfare 2.

[Larkino]

Infinity Ward > Treyarch anyway

[Schism]

Originally Posted by delude

I read that Duke Nukem Forever was the longest game every in production, so it can't really be used as a normal comparison.
APB looks like it could be the start of proper online and interactive gaming

Never played a MMORPG?

[delude]

Originally Posted by Schism

Never played a MMORPG?

Yeah, but they're all ****e lol. This actually looks pretty good

[JohnRowley]

Originally Posted by Larkino

Infinity Ward > Treyarch anyway

Oh yeah, all day. COD2 > COD3, MW > WAW.

The thing that bothers me most, is that Treyarch don't believe that WW2 is a saturated setting. WW2 is done in my opinion, move on. IW did and look what it did for them, they've sold 14 million copies.


To get back on topic, I am psyched for APB. Some of the guys worked on Crackdown and that's one of my favorite 360 games. The customization looks incredible too.

[Larkino]

Originally Posted by JohnRowley

Oh yeah, all day. COD2 > COD3, MW > WAW.

The thing that bothers me most, is that Treyarch don't believe that WW2 is a saturated setting. WW2 is done in my opinion, move on. IW did and look what it did for them, they've sold 14 million copies.

What I don't understand is why the feel they need to keep making WW2 games. They've already made 3 or so great WW2 games, anything they try and do will have already been done. I'm hoping the next COD (not MW2) will be Vietnam based, since it would be such a great setting, and a great oppurtunity to show what the Xbox 360 and PS3 are really capable of.
edit: reading my post I basically said the same thing as you. oh well

To get back on topic, I am psyched for APB. Some of the guys worked on Crackdown and that's one of my favorite 360 games. The customization looks incredible too.

Crackdown was brilliant. Have you seen Prototype? Comes out in a few days, and looks like a mix between Crackdown, Assassins Creed and Wolverine.
Anybody seen Prototype which is coming out soon

[TEMPLE3188]

Originally Posted by JohnRowley

They were busy making the original Crackdown.

Also, 3 years is nothing, Duke Nukem Forever began life in 1997 and was only canceled last month. That's 12 years in development. Too Human began in 1999 and was released last year. 3 years is actually quite normal in game development.

3 years is about right for a game to be developed from start to finish, if a new engine is being written for it then it can take maybe another 2 years. As far as Duke Nukem Forever being released, the game has probably been finished loooonng ago, if not, the development managing it either haven't got a clue or are afraid to release it and miss out on future gaming technology that could make the game better, which in my opinion is stupid as no-one would ever release antyhing if that was the case.

> 85% of the time a game is scraped before it's even finished being developed, Duke Nukem Forever is probably a game that seemed good at the time, began development and was put on hold for better projects, and never taken off hold, claiming that it's still in development > 10 years .

COD is a dream come true to both of the development companies, these kind of games have a simple software engine and wouldn't take much to create from there. They could roll these games off the shelves a lot more frequent than their even doing now! But, rolling them out like that would ruin the whole franchise, so they put a lot of the extra time they have available into extra features (which is great ) that maybe a less experienced development company wouldn't have the time to add to their games as it took too long to develop to begin with.

As far as im concerned 3D Realms = Joke!, their big chance as a comeback was Prey for the Xbox 360, which sucked b@lls! They probably have no money left to work on DN: Forever because they can't manage their projects and roll them out to the shelves

ONTOPIC: Don't like RPG games at all , just don't get them

[beezer123]

This guys done a review on Duke Nukem Forever.

I'm sure you'll agree that the game sounds amazing

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Zero Punctuation : Duke Nukem Forever

Spoiler

It's a joke

[JohnRowley]

Originally Posted by TEMPLE3188

3 years is about right for a game to be developed from start to finish, if a new engine is being written for it then it can take maybe another 2 years. As far as Duke Nukem Forever being released, the game has probably been finished loooonng ago, if not, the development managing it either haven't got a clue or are afraid to release it and miss out on future gaming technology that could make the game better, which in my opinion is stupid as no-one would ever release antyhing if that was the case.

> 85% of the time a game is scraped before it's even finished being developed, Duke Nukem Forever is probably a game that seemed good at the time, began development and was put on hold for better projects, and never taken off hold, claiming that it's still in development > 10 years .

COD is a dream come true to both of the development companies, these kind of games have a simple software engine and wouldn't take much to create from there. They could roll these games off the shelves a lot more frequent than their even doing now! But, rolling them out like that would ruin the whole franchise, so they put a lot of the extra time they have available into extra features (which is great ) that maybe a less experienced development company wouldn't have the time to add to their games as it took too long to develop to begin with.

As far as im concerned 3D Realms = Joke!, their big chance as a comeback was Prey for the Xbox 360, which sucked b@lls! They probably have no money left to work on DN: Forever because they can't manage their projects and roll them out to the shelves

ONTOPIC: Don't like RPG games at all , just don't get them

If you'd read my later posts, I mentioned that 3 years is about average. I just said it's nothing in that post, because the person I quoted thought it was a long time for a game to be in development.

Concerning DNF. 3DRealms weren't too scared to release the game, or weren't able to manage their projects. They just simply wanted the game to be the best it could. So every time a better engine would release, they'd scrap everything they'd done so far on the game, and start a new. To the point where Take2 said, if the game ever releases, we'll publish it, but we're not funding it anymore.

Also, they never claimed they were working on the game, they WERE working on the game. After the game was canceled various artists from 3DR leaked gameplay footage and character models of the game.

The reason IW can roll out a COD game every other year isn't because they have a simple engine. It's because they already have the engine and the framework for the game. It's simply a matter of updating old models, tweaking the engine and creating new assets.