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[bmh16]

Thanks again, looking forward to it

[the_saint]

Ooh, big bad DT stiring things up!! Well here's my two pence worth...

Originally Posted by DariusTim

I have to be honest (and it isn't easy) that your current design is not really up to standard, in my opinion.

Agreed. I actually preferred the design they had before this one. EDIT; OK FFU replied while I was typing this so we will see what the future holds.

Originally Posted by DariusTim

Would you really like to refer 6 people to ShuffleForFree to get a shuffle, when you can get an iPod Touch on Freepay for 5.

Originally Posted by DariusTim

But 6 refs for a Shuffle, is a bit steep no matter how easy the offers are to complete...

Exactly what I was thinking. I think Alexd touched on it as well that you still have to convince 6 people to do the offer at the end of day just for a shuffle. But each of those 6 people must also get 6 people to do it. I wouldn't (and haven't) sign up to a site and do it if I didn't think I could get the refs, and I just don't think 6 for a shuffle will be easy - no matter what the offer - and surely this is a factor as to whether people will go green and not just the fact the offer is £1.

As has been said, I think a far better intro for a newbie is a shuffle for two refs which FFU offer on other sites. If someone is able to get 6 people to sign up and go green there are better gifts available as a reward elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Naomi101

even though some of the new features brought out today look really good, i'm not tempted away from the sites I use (well, FJ mainly).... I can't quite put my finger on 'why' though?!?

That's exactly how i feel! FFU where my first two sites but since then I don't really use them and still can't see myself returning to them for some reason. It's not that they are bad, like Naomi says it's just something I can't explain.

And as Darius said, most of the other features are also available on other sites. It is obviously good news that FFU are implementing them too, but it's not enough to tempt from RI I'm afraid.

[owenroberts]

My opinion for what it's worth........

I think FFU are a great network - got my first 2 (or possibly 3) gifts from them and it's good to see the changes that have been implemented, especially the account reset option.

Support, offer crediting, deliveries etc have always been excellent and if they continue like this then they will be as good as anyone else.

The shuffle site - I probably won't go for this as it's not for me, although a year ago I probably would have seen it as a great idea for a first go at freebies.

The only let-down though is the design - FFU have since posted saying that the new one will be launched soon. Hopefully it will be worth the wait - I think the new look is what's needed more than any of the other features.

Not a dig though, and keep up the good work FFU!

[arcticfox]

sigh what a fuss about nothing.

This whole thread could have been avoided by a simple PM to the site owner asking when their new site design would be around.

There are a number of factors why people sign up, maybe they like the site layout, maybe they read about the site on exceem, maybe one of their friends/family got a freebie and they decided to have a go, who knows?

FFFU may not be the best designed site but Freepays is a joke to be honest and they arent doing too badly. I have seen many members sites which look better than freepay.

A good network needs to have more than a good design. I think support, gifts at reasonable refs, a good reliable reputation and experience are all major factors and FFFU have all these and more. Most important though is the offers on these sites as it puts people if they join a site and see loads of offers that are costing over £10.

As for shuffleforfree, ok 6 refs could sound a lot if it was full offers but I think these offers are there to entice new members into the freebie scene. How many times have you tried to sign up someone and they dont belive a PS3 can be £5? Its not the £5 that puts them off, its the fact they dont think they can get 11-14 other people to do it for them. These same people would be more willing if it cost them £1 and they only had to ask 6 people to pay £1, I bet they would even give them the money themselves. Then, when they get their shuffle a few weeks later, do you reckon they would then try and get something else.

You bet your a$$, and thats exactly the point of shuffleforfree.

[connorbob21]

Good post arcticfox, I completely agree with you.

I don't have a credit card myself, so until now, I haven't been able to complete any FFFU sites. All I have been doing is Freepay sites, and I have got 2 iPod Nanos from them but my ipods,¡.fp and gaming.fp accounts have been waiting approval for around a month now and I have to wait weeks to get a reply to any support tickets I send.

So, I know all I can get right now is an iPod Shuffle from FFFU, and for 6 referrals, but to be honest that is a lot easier than getting a Touch for 5 referrals from Freepay, and it's a better experience. Also, there is no time limit, so I'm not always going to be worried about getting my referrals in time.

Also, I like the FFFU design just as much as Freepays, and anyway, the design of a site isn't really going to put me off anyway.

So thanks FFFU for bringing out the new sites and offers

[Dim Tim]

Originally Posted by ForFree4U

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the points you've brought up in this thread. It's good to see that we're able to stimulate such debate!

Firstly, the site design: we agree that the current design isn't quite up to scratch at the moment, and we had hoped to launch the new design yesterday. Unfortunately there was a small setback and we weren't prepared to launch a half-finished new look. With any luck, we should have it ready soon. I can only apologise for this delay.

About ShuffleForFree: what we're trying to do with this site is provide a different type of offer, which, because of their low commission levels has seen an increase in the number of referrals required. We think that it's important to offer people a choice, which is part of the reason ShuffleForFree was launched. Some members find it easier to refer people to sites which don't require credit card information, either because they're nervous about the whole thing or because they don't have a credit card. This website is for people like them. We are working on trying to get some free offers for ShuffleForFree, and we hope to be able to add some to the site soon.

The Gala Bingo requirements: these were updated yesterday .

Dunstan: one of the offer providers is experiencing some temporary problems, but they should be working again soon. The offers will be back live as soon as they're fixed.

Thank you to everyone whose raised points in this thread. Feel free to drop me a PM if you'd like to discuss anything in further detail .

Cheers

Thanks for your reply...Needless to say I am not the only one who is delighted about the new design being implemented.

Fair points about the ShuffleForFree site, and I'm not her to criticise your business plan or anything like that, I just thought an iPod Shuffle is not incentivising enough. Maybe if ShuffleForFree is successful enough you could open a Wii site with 18 or so referrals. At least it's something new and you haven't been afraid to try it...

Originally Posted by arcticfox20

sigh what a fuss about nothing.

This whole thread could have been avoided by a simple PM to the site owner asking when their new site design would be around.

First of all thanks for your reply, and believe it or not, this kind of replies are what this thread has been created for. I wanted to see what other people thought and maybe create some sort of a debate, which I have done...And I'm sure ForFree4U appreciates it in a way. It wasn't just created for the design.

Originally Posted by arcticfox20

There are a number of factors why people sign up, maybe they like the site layout, maybe they read about the site on exceem, maybe one of their friends/family got a freebie and they decided to have a go, who knows?

Fair enough, and ForFree4U is clearly one of the best networks around, there's no denying that. But I can't help but think they're somewhat not as popular on eXceem as the other sites...

Originally Posted by arcticfox20

FFFU may not be the best designed site but Freepays is a joke to be honest and they arent doing too badly. I have seen many members sites which look better than freepay.

Yes, but...why is it easier to complete a Freepay site ? Why's the yellow:green conversion so good ? Obviously one of the main factors is the fact that they have the Ringtone offer on their site, but if the site looked abismal, most people wouldn't even sign up to those Ringtone offers.

Furthermore, look at the number of threads in the "I Got My Free Item" section saying "Free x from ForFree4u" compared to "Free x from Freepay/FJ/R-I/even Kudos"

This is no way a go at ForFree4U...it's just something that baffles me

Originally Posted by arcticfox20

A good network needs to have more than a good design. I think support, gifts at reasonable refs, a good reliable reputation and experience are all major factors and FFFU have all these and more. Most important though is the offers on these sites as it puts people if they join a site and see loads of offers that are costing over £10.

Yes, I completely agree with you...And ForFree4U do have all of that, and that's why I think they're maybe not reaching their full potential, because they've got pretty much everything FJ or RI have (bar the design, which like ForFree4U said will be implemented) and yet there's sooo much more of them 2 networks on eXceem.

Originally Posted by arcticfox20

As for shuffleforfree, ok 6 refs could sound a lot if it was full offers but I think these offers are there to entice new members into the freebie scene. How many times have you tried to sign up someone and they dont belive a PS3 can be £5? Its not the £5 that puts them off, its the fact they dont think they can get 11-14 other people to do it for them. These same people would be more willing if it cost them £1 and they only had to ask 6 people to pay £1, I bet they would even give them the money themselves. Then, when they get their shuffle a few weeks later, do you reckon they would then try and get something else.

You bet your a$$, and thats exactly the point of shuffleforfree.

Another very good point...But for £4 more, and 2 extra people they can get a Wii...


P.S. Sorry for this rather longer reply but I've only just had a chance to read the posts properly...And I am glad this has turned into a debate that it is.

[arcticfox]

Originally Posted by DariusTim

Another very good point...But for £4 more, and 2 extra people they can get a Wii...

The point is that it's easier to get 6 people to sign up for a £1 offer that doesnt need a credit card than trying to get 8 or more to sign up for offers that are more expensive and they need a credit card.

People are sceptical(sp) of freebie sites and more likely to take a risk and sign up for a £1 offer than spend £10. Then once they see its genuine, they will come back and try for that Wii or more.

I am seeing plenty of posts on the shuffle thread basically saying "at least I can do this site" and thats what its all about

[Dim Tim]

OK, I'm either thick or I'm not getting something right...

You still have to pay somehow...and what difference does it really make whether you pay using a Bank Transfer or a Credit Card. You've still got to enter some details in.

Could someone explain the difference for me, please

[scudbook]

Originally Posted by DariusTim

OK, I'm either thick or I'm not getting something right...

You still have to pay somehow...and what difference does it really make whether you pay using a Bank Transfer or a Credit Card. You've still got to enter some details in.

Could someone explain the difference for me, please

I've got to agree with you on that one, The thing that puts most people off is having to use personal bank or credit card details ( i don't see any difference wether its bank details or credit card details, unless you are 16 and can't get a credit card) not wether it costs £1 or £5

[arcticfox]

Originally Posted by DariusTim

OK, I'm either thick or I'm not getting something right...

You still have to pay somehow...and what difference does it really make whether you pay using a Bank Transfer or a Credit Card. You've still got to enter some details in.

Could someone explain the difference for me, please

You dont get the fact that some people may risk spending a pound rather than £10?

Or is it that you dont get the fact that some people can do this site as they havent got a credit card or are unwilling to use it on freebie sites that they dont know or trust? Big difference between bank accounts and credit cards is that if your bank details are stolen they can only take what you have in your account but if your credit card is stolen then can take as much as your credit limit allows, not a nice thought.

Didnt you used to have to use your dads card to do offers before? You should appreciate then just how much easier it would have been with these kind of sites.

Ok, you say the thread isnt a dig at forfree4u and it's not just to stir things up because "you're bored" but I'd be disapointed also if a freebie site only announced 2 new sites, a new comp and changing a few things that will only increase forfree4u's popularity.

Ever thought that the reason theres not as many posts for forfree4u in the "i got my free item" could have something to do with the fact that you could only do the sites once? I know I would have done the sites more if this option had been there a few months back and this would have meant more posts in that section, I'm sure other regulars feel the same.

Anyway, you got what you wanted.

[Dim Tim]

Yes, but I was saying is we took these things for granted on other networks...There's 3 other websites that do excatly the same thing...And like Naomi and Saint said, I can't explain why...but it's just not enough to sway me away from them, towards FF4U.

And most offers accept Debit Cards also...

And let's be honest, how many bank accounts are there nowadays without any sort of a Debit Card etc.

And what do you mean I got what I wanted ?

[arcticfox]

Again I feel you're missing the point, this site I feel is designed more for the newbies than it is for us "oldies". We might just think "I can get one for 2 refs from some sites, no problemo" but not everyone has a method so this might be their easiest way of getting their first freebie. Once they get their first one, I'm sure they will be back for more.

It's some peoples first step on the freebie ladder, I feel this is the point.

If Forfree4u opened a site for a shuffle with all the usual offers and wanted 2 or 3 refs, people would be saying it wasnt very original but apart from you, I dont see anyone else moaning about the shuffle site

[Dim Tim]

I wasn't moaning about it... I said I could see the logics behind it, but in my opinion I didn't quite see the point for more than one reason.

What did you mean when you said I got what I wanted ?

I don't know what you take me for, but I can assure you I'm not the kind of person to put ForFree4U in a spotlight like this just because of my boredom

[sajidibby]

now now lads, this is starting to sound like an argument rather than a debate..

[Jon]

Interesting thread and way to many points to reply to individually...

I wont really comment on design as each person interpritation on design will be different, and we all have personal choice on what we like/dislike

As to shuffleforfree, I like the idea, and its a good way to get people interested in the scene, yeah it may not get you massive gifts (yet) but its a easy way for people who are not sure about the whole thing to dip their toes in the water.

Finally lets keep this thread on a debate track

[Dim Tim]

Originally Posted by Jon

Interesting thread and way to many points to reply to individually...

I wont really comment on design as each person interpritation on design will be different, and we all have personal choice on what we like/dislike

As to shuffleforfree, I like the idea, and its a good way to get people interested in the scene, yeah it may not get you massive gifts (yet) but its a easy way for people who are not sure about the whole thing to dip their toes in the water.

Finally lets keep this thread on a debate track

Thanks for your input Jonathan, quite frankly I thought you would ban me and close this thread the second you see it. So thank you for not doing so.

I'm glad there have been so many replies with very good points raised, but most people think, Darius is just on a mad one 2k8 trying to take on ForFree4U

[Jon]

Thanks for your input Jonathan, quite frankly I thought you would ban me and close this thread the second you see it. So thank you for not doing so.

nah you wrote a nice well worded post explaining your issues

Nice to see your still a Leeds fan to