London Riots

Jon · 10-08-11, 06:01 PM

Few issues to debate here I think, but before I begin I don't want this to focus on the events that happened relating to the police shooting on Thursday, I think the IPCC will do a perfect job in establishing the facts and holding anyone to account, that is accountable for any crimes.

I think after the events on Thursday, and the vigil march after, I belive that others used this as a excuse to first "get at the police" (as in the recent protests for tuition fee's), which then lead on to the full scale looting & rioting on the first day.
The rioting on the following days are just copycat in my opinion.

So the issues to debate are

1) if my summing up in the second paragraph is right
2) the reasons why people are looting/rioting, is it just because they are bored in the summer holidays, do they feel angry to society due to poor standards in education, high unemployment
3) what we can do to prevent this from happening again
4) how can we punish the individuals who do this

I think that some form of riot/looting was always in the cards, with so many people out of work, falling standards in schools, cutbacks in social support (eg job seekers allowance, incapacity benifit), along with the gang culture that seams to be mentioned in the press alot.

What will be tricky is how on earth do the people responsible get punished, prisons are full to capacity all ready, proving in court they were responsible could be tricky and I can see defence lawyers finding loads of loopholes. While cutting of their benifits sounds fair, it will just cause more problems in the future, as how on earth will they have the means to survive with out turning to crime?

Ojaser6 · 11-08-11, 06:51 AM

How to punish the rioters? As az87aris said, place them on a remote island where nobody will see them for at least a million years

**the_icks** · 11-08-11, 09:22 AM

Battle Royale

**the_icks** · 11-08-11, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon

While cutting of their benifits sounds fair, it will just cause more problems in the future, as how on earth will they have the means to survive with out turning to crime?

Community Payback - get them all back out on the streets repairing windows, mending doors, stacking shelves - then they will also gain some workplace skills and they can get jobs!!!

Sorry if this paints a negative stereotype of the unemployed, bu I am pissed off when I see the unemployed spending the day in the pub, when I am stuck behind a desk for the same period of time, and I am no financially better off as I have to pay my rent and council tax!! grrrrrrrrrrrrr

scudbook · 11-08-11, 03:03 PM

Totally agree with iks on the scroungers who pretend that they can't find work or are too ill to work but can still afford to drink everyday of their miserable lives. It pisses me off that both myself and my wife work so we can afford the basics for us and our three kids but the family who live two doors away get their rent and council tax paid and can still afford sky tv plus be able to run a car and go on a foreign holiday once a year.

Back on topic

I would personally like to see not just the rioters but all prisoners put to work fixing our god damn roads. We pay enough money in road tax and petrol duties the least we could have is a smooth road to drive on.

alexjames · 11-08-11, 03:07 PM

Firing Squad. End of.

Ojaser6 · 11-08-11, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alexjames

Firing Squad. End of.

Nah, burning at the stake. More fun to watch

**ryan1087** · 11-08-11, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ojaser6

Nah, burning at the stake. More fun to watch

More fun to watch somebody to burn? You have problems.

arcticfox · 11-08-11, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ojaser6

Nah, burning at the stake. More fun to watch

Doesn't that make you just as bad as them? They should be made to help rebuild the shops, businesses and houses that they have ruined, however long it takes and then maybe they will think again about being part of it.

bmh16 · 11-08-11, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arcticfox

Doesn't that make you just as bad as them? They should be made to help rebuild the shops, businesses and houses that they have ruined, however long it takes and then maybe they will think again about being part of it.

This. The idiots who think they should be killed are hardly much better than these people. It's not like they are murdering people around the place. Just mindless thuggery.

FurbtasticM · 11-08-11, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bmh16

It's not like they are murdering people around the place.

Other than the three killed in Birmingham?

**ryan1087** · 11-08-11, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FurbtasticM

Other than the three killed in Birmingham?

Also buildings set on fire with people in and pulling people out of cars and then setting the car on fire.

I don't agree with 'they should all be shot', what does that achieve? You don't know how many of those people can or will change, what positive impact they may have in the future.

bmh16 · 11-08-11, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FurbtasticM

Other than the three killed in Birmingham?

Other than those yes, it's not like we have mass carnage of these criminals going around killing people.

Kfchris1 · 11-08-11, 06:02 PM

I think they should be made to do community service and help rebuild the community around them

Ojaser6 · 11-08-11, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan1087

More fun to watch somebody to burn? You have problems.

I thought somebody might say this... I was joking ok?

**MJ10** · 12-08-11, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kfchris1

I think they should be made to do community service and help rebuild the community around them

I think there's a page for that....

Make The Rioters Re-Build The Country - Wall | Facebook

**the_icks** · 12-08-11, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scudbook

Totally agree with iks on the scroungers who pretend that they can't find work or are too ill to work but can still afford to drink everyday of their miserable lives. It pisses me off that both myself and my wife work so we can afford the basics for us and our three kids but the family who live two doors away get their rent and council tax paid and can still afford sky tv plus be able to run a car and go on a foreign holiday once a year.

Back on topic

I would personally like to see not just the rioters but all prisoners put to work fixing our god damn roads. We pay enough money in road tax and petrol duties the least we could have is a smooth road to drive on.

Chaingangs

scudbook · 12-08-11, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the_icks

Chaingangs

exactly

sgll · 12-08-11, 05:40 PM

seen this? UK riots: First family to be kicked out of council house because of son's 'looting' | Mail Online

Ojaser6 · 13-08-11, 02:32 PM

Well that's good news, they are finally starting to get what they deserve.

Although it is kind of unfair that the whole family has to suffer with him.

10-08-11, 06:01 PM	#1
Jon MJ lady with maracas Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 12,851	London Riots Few issues to debate here I think, but before I begin I don't want this to focus on the events that happened relating to the police shooting on Thursday, I think the IPCC will do a perfect job in establishing the facts and holding anyone to account, that is accountable for any crimes. I think after the events on Thursday, and the vigil march after, I belive that others used this as a excuse to first "get at the police" (as in the recent protests for tuition fee's), which then lead on to the full scale looting & rioting on the first day. The rioting on the following days are just copycat in my opinion. So the issues to debate are 1) if my summing up in the second paragraph is right 2) the reasons why people are looting/rioting, is it just because they are bored in the summer holidays, do they feel angry to society due to poor standards in education, high unemployment 3) what we can do to prevent this from happening again 4) how can we punish the individuals who do this I think that some form of riot/looting was always in the cards, with so many people out of work, falling standards in schools, cutbacks in social support (eg job seekers allowance, incapacity benifit), along with the gang culture that seams to be mentioned in the press alot. What will be tricky is how on earth do the people responsible get punished, prisons are full to capacity all ready, proving in court they were responsible could be tricky and I can see defence lawyers finding loads of loopholes. While cutting of their benifits sounds fair, it will just cause more problems in the future, as how on earth will they have the means to survive with out turning to crime? __________________

11-08-11, 06:51 AM	#2
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scudbook iPod 30gb Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hamilton Posts: 1,446	Totally agree with iks on the scroungers who pretend that they can't find work or are too ill to work but can still afford to drink everyday of their miserable lives. It pisses me off that both myself and my wife work so we can afford the basics for us and our three kids but the family who live two doors away get their rent and council tax paid and can still afford sky tv plus be able to run a car and go on a foreign holiday once a year. Back on topic I would personally like to see not just the rioters but all prisoners put to work fixing our god damn roads. We pay enough money in road tax and petrol duties the least we could have is a smooth road to drive on. __________________ Spoiler Recieved - 16GB iPhone Giveaway 4GB ipod nano Real-incentives Ds Lite+Mario&Sonic game Freebiejeebies Slim&lite psp freebiejeebies+arcticfox20 8GB Video Player pvp Real-incentives 60gb PS3 Nextgen Giveaway £179.99 amazon vouchers Wii Giveaway personal dvd player Hdtvforfree Check out my new site www.freegadgetlocker.com

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sgll iBook Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brizzle Posts: 2,680	seen this? UK riots: First family to be kicked out of council house because of son's 'looting' \| Mail Online

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Ojaser6 Mini Mac Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Planet Urth Posts: 3,667	Well that's good news, they are finally starting to get what they deserve. Although it is kind of unfair that the whole family has to suffer with him. __________________ Get some Free Cash from FreebieJeebies! Or, get a Free Galaxy S from Xpango! Last edited by Ojaser6; 13-08-11 at 02:33 PM..