Did Jesus exist?

[Dunstan]

YouTube - ‪The God Who Wasn't There [Full Film]‬‏

[Madex]

I personally am Catholic but only on paper.

[goggz1888]

im roman catholic so think yes he did exist

[BiBoss]

its bad to open topic about this

some people will say yes and others no

religion is usually red line don't get close to him

[NeonLord]

born catholic, but I dont believe in a 'God' as such, i put my trust in science, but to each their own (until it comes to the point where people kill each other over their beliefs, then its just stupid, this world would be better off without any belief in a God or Gods, that peoplet fight over, its just getting worse and more pathetic)

[the_icks]

I am technically Jewish..... but I have a very open mind on religion, my sons are both religion curious, and go to church youthclubs..and go to a church school.

[Harvez]

Originally Posted by BiBoss

its bad to open topic about this

some people will say yes and others no

religion is usually red line don't get close to him

That's the whole idea of a debate, Muppet.

I'm agnostic, but I think there will have been someone who was doing some of the things the bible sets out, spreading the word n all that to convert people across to the new religion, this is what pissed the jews off and forced the romans to crucify "Jesus" even though they saw him as no threat.

The bible imho is just a story of a man's journey and like all good books gets highly dramatised to make a good read.

Religion could vanish over night for me and I wouldn't bat an eyelid, but I know if it did go a **** load of today's problems wouldn't exist.

[Dunstan]

In short that YouTube video says that all the proof for Jesus living was written after his life. There is no non-biblical evidence of his life.

The question here isn't about the miracles he supposedly performed but whether Jesus the 'human' ever lived.

[asdyesfe]

i believe in some being but i wouldn't say god, something like a gurdian angel or in the episode of futrama when bender is lost in space and he find "God" something like that

YouTube - ‪God in Futurama‬‏

[FurbtasticM]

Originally Posted by Harvez

Religion could vanish over night for me and I wouldn't bat an eyelid, but I know if it did go a **** load of today's problems wouldn't exist.

Power, control, greed and all the other deadly sins would still exist, people would just be using different excuses for the conflict!

I agree with the story telling though, as does this article Did Jesus Exist?

Either way, if people get strength or comfort from whatever it is they believe in, then good luck to them.

[Ojaser6]

I'm not religious, however I do think that Jesus was a real person.

[Dunstan]

Originally Posted by FurbtasticM

Power, control, greed and all the other deadly sins would still exist, people would just be using different excuses for the conflict!

Though religion certainly presents unnecessary barriers to integration between separate communities.

[NeonLord]

To be honest, im not totaly sure Jesus was real, but even if i do, still wouldnt make me belive. To many things can be pulled from other people (religions) before him, such as horus (egyptian), ALOT of similarities between the two, and he was a couple hundred years before Jesus, then there was an indian god (cant remember the name of the top of my head), also had alot of traits, as well as mithras, christmas (25th of december rather) was a pagan holiday, the christans took it to make the transition easier, the 'halo' behing mary in most pictures, is actualy part of an egyptian sun gods religion... to many things are wrong with it to make it believable for me, but thats just me.

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by Dunstan

Though religion certainly presents unnecessary barriers to integration between separate communities.

Definitely. I think Islam is the main culprit. You only have to look at islamic countries for evidence for this. Say what you will, but I can't really see an argument for a religion to be good from outsiders perspectives when it has caused the death of so many people, especially in the past 10 years. Same with the crusades in the past. Religion starts innocently and with good intentions, but you will always get extremists and if these get power then it is disastrous. But the main problem for a lot of unrest and a lot of cultural barriers are religion. Who knows what it would be without. Other things could occur which are worse without religion. It's hard to speculate.

I always thought there was a lot of evidence for Jesus non biblically, whilst i did know the accounts were all written many years after his death. i will check out the video when i have time!

[Sufiyan]

^^^ Oi! What do you mean? I'm a Muslim. I know that 90% of the terrorists out there are Muslims, but just think of it. Because of the 2% of the Muslim Population, the whole community of Muslims is defined as a terrorist community. I am not a Sunni Muslim. I believe in Aga Khan (Some people might have heard of him) He is our spiritual leader. SO, the decision of the people really does vary over here. Can't really tell anything. As for those who believe in spirituality but not in God, check for "Neotic Science" and "Golden Ratio" on Wikipedia. Not much helpful, but it is to some extent.

[Larkino]

I don't think he existed at all. There are no legitimate historic sources that suggest he did.

Also, has anybody read any of the info that show his apparent life/birthday/acts etc. all being astronomy based? That's very interesting, there's some of it in the film Zeitgeist and I know Christopher Hitchens likes to go on about it.

Definitely. I think Islam is the main culprit. You only have to look at islamic countries for evidence for this.

There is no main culprit, they're all as bad as each other. The Crusaders, Kashmir, Armenian Genocide etc. etc.

[Cruelworld]

I think Life Of Brian is just about as close to the reality of what actually happened as you can get.

Anything else would just be silly and unrealistic.

[Dunstan]

Originally Posted by Larkino

I don't think he existed at all. There are no legitimate historic sources that suggest he did.

Also, has anybody read any of the info that show his apparent life/birthday/acts etc. all being astronomy based? That's very interesting, there's some of it in the film Zeitgeist and I know Christopher Hitchens likes to go on about it.

There is no main culprit, they're all as bad as each other. The Crusaders, Kashmir, Armenian Genocide etc. etc.

Both Easter and Christmas were both already pagan celebrations and so Christians used these dates to try and persuade the masses to follow them

[Larkino]

A bit more specific than that:

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by Sufiyan

^^^ Oi! What do you mean? I'm a Muslim. I know that 90% of the terrorists out there are Muslims, but just think of it. Because of the 2% of the Muslim Population, the whole community of Muslims is defined as a terrorist community. I am not a Sunni Muslim. I believe in Aga Khan (Some people might have heard of him) He is our spiritual leader. SO, the decision of the people really does vary over here. Can't really tell anything. As for those who believe in spirituality but not in God, check for "Neotic Science" and "Golden Ratio" on Wikipedia. Not much helpful, but it is to some extent.

It doesn't matter if 90% of muslims are non extremists, or even 99%. There are millions of muslims and just because there are many good muslims out there doesn't make the religion objectively good (how can it?) as it is one of the main causes of terrorism today.