Yes to AV / No to AV?

[eonbar]

what are peoples thoughts on AV? personally, im all for it. the stuff below i think explain it fairly, but it is made by those who are Pro AV. For those who dont know what it is

and the problems of FPtP (first past the post) which is what we use nooooow



and then some of the No 2 AV leaflets critically evaluated.


















AND JUST SO WE DONT LOOSE GRIP ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN THIS LIFE, heres a bunny with a pancake on its head




VOTE YES TO AV

[Larkino]

Well I won't be able to vote but I say no to AV. Of course in an ideal world more coalitions would be good as it would mean more discussing and debating when it comes to policies and legislature, but because of how flawed the whole political system is (looking past just voting systems) I think it's optimistic at best... But then maybe I'm just cynical.

However, saying no to AV doesn't mean that voting reform is out of the question. I think the whole referendum has been forced on the public too quickly and there hasn't been sufficient information provided for people to make an informed choice. Electoral reform I think is a constitutional issue that shouldn't be decided in just one vote.

[ryan1087]

No, i feel it's pretty dumb to be honest, if candidate B (example) get's the most votes for choice 1 then that's what the majority want! You don't wan't candidate C to win through the choice of 2nd or 3rd option votes otherwise you would of voted for that candidate as option 1!

The, "if you don't like Nick Clegg then don't for him" is odd because if you don't like him them simply don't vote for him at all!

I can only see disappointment in this system.

[eonbar]

but when the majority is a minority of the electorate, then you could argue that the majority of people DONT want whoever gets into office.

the problem i think a lot of people have is that they think of voting as a race, which it's not. electoral voting should be more of a spectrum, where you specify your position and preferences are graded from that.

AV overcomes this.

and i agree. the personalization of this whole thing annoys me. AV or FPtP will be around for the next 40 years long long long after clegg or cameron.

the only problem i can foresee is a slight possibility of an unstable government, but i really can't speculate on whether or not AV would result in that. it has the potential too, but a load of other governments around the world dont use FPtP voting, have multi coalition or two coalition govs, etc.

it also REALLY annoys me how britain, cameron etc go on about DEMOCRACY and how dictatorships etc are so bad, yet when it comes to a voting system which is more democratic, they turn on their heals?!

[the_icks]

I would have been MOTY at least 3 times in the last 4 years! lol

[iFreeZone]

Interesting Videos...

[Larkino]

Originally Posted by eonbar

the only problem i can foresee is a slight possibility of an unstable government, but i really can't speculate on whether or not AV would result in that. it has the potential too, but a load of other governments around the world dont use FPtP voting, have multi coalition or two coalition govs, etc.

it also REALLY annoys me how britain, cameron etc go on about DEMOCRACY and how dictatorships etc are so bad, yet when it comes to a voting system which is more democratic, they turn on their heals?!

Of course there are coalition governments with FPTP but in comparison with how many countries use it it's a small percentage,

AFAIK, AV is not constituency based, which means that on the subject of true democracy, there's no accountability for the elected government.

[xploit]

there should be a poll on this...

[Larkino]

There is, it's on the 5th of May lol.

[moviedrome]

Of course when AV gets rejected because the majority of people don't understand it the pro AV campaigners will say if this referendum was done on an AV basis we'd have won (based on the 2nd preference of voters in a yes/no question) - i'm being facetious of course.

It does make you wonder though when there are only 4 countries in the world with this odd AV system and one of them (Sri Lanka) is voting to get rid of it because it's unfair.

Coalition governments just end up with nothing actually being done and this version of AV almost guarantees a coalition.

I dunno what the answer is. The voting system needs reform but this isn't the right answer. I personally think voting should be mandatory (punishable with a fine of £x) but have a box saying none of the above if you don't agree with any of them. Although i'm yet to work out what happens if everyone ticks this box.... Anarchy in the UK....

[MJ10]

Yea I agree with the Aussie system as Rich explained above. A lot of people would still take the $200 fine just to prove a point but the 'none of the above would help show the distrust... Though I'm sure many people would tick it for a laugh.

Personally I believe FPTP has to change, AV may not be the answer, but it's the only alternative we have right now.

[rider900]

Well this will be my first vote and I'm listening to both sides of the argument. Personally I think i'll vote for AV as them videos explain in FPTP it's not the majority that actually wins. Just like now with Cameron and Clegg, the majority didn't vote them in.

I don't think however that AV will win because it's had such negative press, the more the arguments come up on the news I think people get tired of hearing about it and won't bother voting. I hope it does win as what we've got in place right now is not right.

[suparuss]

DEfinitely don't agree with those points in the OP. AV isn't the amazing solution it's cracked out to be.

I'm voting no to AV but I do agree that our system should continue to reform.

[Kfchris1]

Im with suparuss!! Im voting no to AV!! Reading into it i just dont agree with it

[Ilikefree]

'I'm voting 'yes' in the referendum on the alternative vote.

And my second preference is 'no'.'

[ryan1087]

Forced to vote? I don't think it's the best solution. There are some that don't feel they want to and if they were forced then they wouldn't make a responsible decision and can cause biased votes.

[eonbar]

thought this pic adequately puts across the problem of fptp

[Kfchris1]

Think it fits it perfectly lol!! altho in that case you would have a beer in the coffee shop!!