Anti Piracy Advertisement in Cinemas...

[Garyl2k]

Then I'd love you to highlight the parts that led you to your conclusion.

[chigley]

Originally Posted by Garyl2k

Then I'd love you to highlight the parts that led you to your conclusion.

No need to be so hostile, man! Just 'cause someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you need to become so aggressive towards them.

You can still be friends and take part in debate
Peace.

[Harvez]

Anyone for some films 5 £10 decent copies too
ps. the A-Team is a great film, watched it Saturday night on my 50" TV :P

[Cefca]

Originally Posted by Garyl2k

Then I'd love you to highlight the parts that led you to your conclusion.

if I feel the movie isn't worth my cash and is simply a money spinning hollywood movie AKA The A Team then I will download it.

Chigley, if I could still £40 worth of petrol from BP I would

Mostly those.

[Garyl2k]

Lol Cefca, that's your proof, when has me having an issue with BP the oil spilling fools got anything to do with digital piracy?

As for me downloading the A-Team, again you can read into that differently, since that is a dig at Hollywood guys who find it hard to write up new ideas and movies, a reason why I picked the A-Team.

Wait if you look back Cefca you might also find I said I can't wait to film a movie in HD with an iPhone 4... Just helping you out here.

Lol Harvez, this thread needed some one to bring it back to earth, I feel like I'm a political correctness seminar.

How about sticking to the actuall topic "Piracy campaigns in cinemas"

Chigley sorry if it seemed a little hostile but it wasn't, was no more hostile then what I have been receiving and I have been pretty straight forward to be honest. As for the claim I think it's ok to still from the rich, I will let that one slide cause I can't be arsed to be arguing all night on here.

[Cefca]

Originally Posted by Garyl2k

Lol Cefca, that's your proof, when has me having an issue with BP the oil spilling fools got anything to do with digital piracy?

Because stealing is stealing. Whether it's pirating movies or stealing petrol, it's the same principals.

As for me downloading the A-Team, again you can read into that differently, since that is a dig at Hollywood guys who find it hard to write up new ideas and movies, a reason why I picked the A-Team.

Or I can read into it exactly how you said it: You'll pirate it if you think it won't be worth your money. Who knows where you'll draw the line?

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by chigley

How on earth is it different?
Theft is theft.

And the petrol was simply an analogy directed towards Garyl2k, as he suggested that stealing's fine as long as you're stealing from a rich company.

Will just highlight that without illegal downloading i would never have got into music probably and so would have probably never bought many albums really. Instead i have around 150. So artists have benefited hugely from me (well not like they got a lot from CDs as live shows is where the money is at crucially why illegal downloading is so good for the music industry on the whole as it brings a whole new audience in).

Stealing a copyright and a copied mp3 file is something completely different to stealing petrol. Petrol can't be replicated and copied like that and is direct theft and will never benefit the petrol companies. Illegal music downloads actually doesn't involve anything physical so doesn't have any direct consequences. It just helps bring a larger audience to the artist. I have never felt bad about downloading music illegally and i never will. It's largely the same with films too.

And besides if i had a million quid i could afford this hobby, but it's reality and i'm a student and don't have much disposable income especially with Uni coming up. I simply could never afford buying every album i downloaded, which is why i download always first and if i think it is worth buying to support the artist for i will buy it, at some point when i can afford it!

[Cefca]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Stealing a copyright and a copied mp3 file is something completely different to stealing petrol. Petrol can't be replicated and copied like that and is direct theft and will never benefit the petrol companies. Illegal music downloads actually doesn't involve anything physical so doesn't have any direct consequences. It just helps bring a larger audience to the artist. I have never felt bad about downloading music illegally and i never will. It's largely the same with films too.

So, for example, I work in a bank and transfer someone else's money into my account. That's fine because it didn't involve anything physical?

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by Cefca

So, for example, I work in a bank and transfer someone else's money into my account. That's fine because it didn't involve anything physical?

It is physical though, it is actual money? I do not see your point at all. Illegal downloading has benefited from me, simples.

[Garyl2k]

Originally Posted by Cefca

Because stealing is stealing. Whether it's pirating movies or stealing petrol, it's the same principals.

Of right so we talking about something totally different? I for a minute here thought you said I was making piracy a cool thing... But now we back to square one again, which I won't quote what I have already stated since it's going through death ears here.

Or I can read into it exactly how you said it: You'll pirate it if you think it won't be worth your money. Who knows where you'll draw the line?

Maybe shoot up an old peoples home, I'm psycho man, a total nut job... I won't stop till I get to see them movies!

bmh16, stealing is stealing... Have you not got it yet? :P

You downloading them albums is no different then you mugging some poor old ladies hand bag with a sawn off shot gun loaded with gravy!

[chigley]

Originally Posted by bmh16

It is physical though, it is actual money? I do not see your point at all. Illegal downloading has benefited from me, simples.

Is money physical, though? Cash (i.e. notes/coins) are physical, but I'd argue that money itself is not.

Cash is to money,
as CDs are to music.

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by chigley

Is money physical, though? Cash (i.e. notes/coins) are physical, but I'd argue that money itself is not.

Cash is to money,
as CDs are to music.

Stealing money does no good for anyone but the person stealing. Illegal download helps the industry and look at it, it's doing great atm. And in terms of films we are seeing box office records often. Can't be doing too bad again can it? It's not a big problem at all. And for music, it is doing it a big favour. It gives people access to endless amount of music expanding people's knowledge and helping more people to go to their gigs which is ultimately where the artists make the money. So it is considered 100% good for me.

And lol Gary, yeh, i can't see you getting anywhere despite your rational thoughts. It seems to me that people are trying to take the moral highground, and sometimes that isn't the best thing like it isn't here for me. And ultimately what are morals to cast a philosophical aspect on this if you're going to go on about similar things? Ultimately stealing is obviously considered bad but when it actually helps some parts of life and helps people like it does with the music industry you gotta consider this part good. For me it is only a bad thing when it does harm on people and no good. Here i believe the good outweighs the bad, thus i consider it good.

[Cefca]

Originally Posted by Garyl2k

it's going through death ears here.

I couldn't agree more.

[Larkino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

[Garyl2k]

Lol, one of my all time favs, the cannibal german and moss!

Though watch your self Larkino, you may offend with these videos!

[Larkino]

Oh did I post that? I thought I posted the piracy ad clip lol.

[williamblah]

The point a lot of those arguing against piracy don't understand is that piracy is NOT stealing.

Theft is when person 1 takes A from person 2, and so person 2 then suffers as they have to replace A to be back where they started.

Piracy infringes copyright rules. It is where person 1 makes a duplicate of item A, and so person 2 does not suffer.

Do any of you grow your own vegetables at home? Do you feel bad because the supermarket loses out on your business?

I am not saying it is alright, although I will admit to doing it, but ultimately I would spend only around a tenner a month extra if I was unable to download films, music or software. In most cases if I wanted music, I would listen to free radio, or download legally from artists who release their music for free. I would choose alternatives of software like OpenOffice instead of Microsoft Office.

If I only HAD to have a piece of office software, and only had the choice of buying it or downloading it, then it would be closer to your analogies of stealing, because my use of a downloaded copy means a loss of revenue for microsoft. However, my actual options (because I would never pay that price for it) are between OpenOffice (free), and Microsoft Office.

I use Microsoft Office because it is free, but my use of it causes zero loss to Microsoft.

I hope this explanation better sums up what I feel a lot of people are trying to say.

[Garyl2k]

Very well said mate.

[cono1717]

I don't condone taking/making illegal copies of software, however as I, and some others have stated, these people don't actually lose anything

It's not like they have set out that every person in the world should buy a DVD and then they get £6 profit. So long as these big companies make a profit they're not all that fussed.

You tend to find these types of arguments flare up when the big corporations have only made a couple of million - bless.


But yes, I do listen to music online and download every so often but like people say, which I totally agree with, if you like them that much you go out and buy the single/album and you show your dedication to them.

If I heard a song on the radio, for free, and I didn't like it I wouldn't then go to the shop and buy their CD just because I heard a song by them - downloading is pretty much the same.

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by Larkino

Oh did I post that? I thought I posted the piracy ad clip lol.

gotta love the IT crowd, one of my fave comedies atm, that scene is brilliant even though it wasn't the one you intended too.

And yes Will and cono put the nail on its coffin here, well said