Should Capello be sacked as manager now?

arcticfox · 27-06-10, 04:03 PM

I guess no time like the present to start this debate.

Personally if the FA want to please the supporters they should sack Capello now, whatever the cost rather than doing it by "mutual agreement".

All through the world cup they have looked below average and clueless and the blame for that has to lie with the manager as he picks the players and tells them what to do and where to play.

There should be a clearout, starting with Capello and then the average players who seem to believe the hype that they are world class.

Any opinions?

bmh16 · 27-06-10, 04:07 PM

Definitely, the team has been consistently poor over 4 games and even dreadful at times, and one of the worst teams in the WC. Let's remember England had possibly the easiest group of the WC too yet they finished 2nd with 1 tight win and 2 draws. They have a team of very talented individuals, they didn't play as a team whatsoever making some awful errors. You've got to have a clearout.

TheDoctor · 27-06-10, 04:10 PM

Add a poll?
And too right.

arcticfox · 27-06-10, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Add a poll?
And too right.

good idea...can't believe I just said that to you

Poll added.

az87aris · 27-06-10, 04:20 PM

I'm in no way racist or anything, but i've failed to see how someone who can hardly speak a word of english can manage our team? I've tried to listen to him in his after game interviews and I really struggle to understand what he is saying, is it just me thinking this?

chapperzUK · 27-06-10, 04:32 PM

As soon as he was hired, expectations got blown out of proportion. First game and at half-time we were 0-0 with Andorra. People go on about his previous record, especially in Italy. Anyone else remember a manager who did well in Italy? Sven.

arcticfox · 27-06-10, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chapperzUK

As soon as he was hired, expectations got blown out of proportion. First game and at half-time we were 0-0 with Andorra. People go on about his previous record, especially in Italy. Anyone else remember a manager who did well in Italy? Sven.

They both have/had good records but this was in club management. I guess it's not easy to hire someone to manage a country unless they have maybe done it already e.g. Roy Hodgson because it seems to be a totally different level from managing players on a daily basis.

Is it coincidence that england play so poor when capello has had them together for weeks but they play much better when they were meeting up a few days before a game. It just sometimes looks as though they have been told so many things that they have to do that it confuses them.

az87aris · 27-06-10, 04:37 PM

Sven IMO is worse than capello, look at the shambles he's managing now! That tells you alot about him as a manager.

I don't think it's just Capello that needs to go, half of the england squad need the get the chop, mainly Rooney. All he's done in every match is fall over the ball. He has an injured ankle, why the hell was he picked to play in the first place?

TheDoctor · 27-06-10, 04:49 PM

Capello has just told Sky sports News that he will not be resigning.

Ayo312 · 27-06-10, 05:18 PM

For once can we let a manager see out their contract, it is beyond me why the chop is call so early, give them plenty of time to constuct a team and a mentality, we did crap in the WC but tbh the team is crappy, the players didnt perform and well the bench is just shocking with less than talented individuals.

Really wish he had the balls the not start Rooney against ze Germans today, and Crouch and Defoe instead, would have made my day (coming from a Man U supporter...)

arcticfox · 27-06-10, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayo312

For once can we let a manager see out their contract, it is beyond me why the chop is call so early

probably because the english press usually stir up the public by starting campaigns to get rid of the manager so the FA by to public demand and get rid of a manager, usually after paying them a fortune to leave their post usually a few months after giving them a 4 year contract.

the_saint · 27-06-10, 08:02 PM

Didn't see this thread, posted this a different one but relevant here:

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Take one right back into the tournament, Glen Johnson. He was a liability for most of the tournament but there was no alternative. Gary Neville may be getting on but when you need a solid right back to help organise the defence he's still the man.
Ferdinand and King have been injury plagued all season but he never gave anyone else a chance during qualifications or friendlies. Dawson was one the most consistent defenders this season and should have been given games to form a partnership with Terry. In fact so too should Upson. He was shocking today but they looked like they had hardly played together, which they hadn't.
Why keep Gerard on the left? He isn't a winger and won't stay out there, if you want that formation choose the right player don't put square pegs in round holes. He just wanted to play certain players regardless of the fact they won't fit all together he wants.
Rooney has been awful in every game, yet he was only subbed once (from memory, I missed the first game). Looking at form he shouldn't have even started the last two games but Capello doesn't have the guts to drop such a big name.
We went 3-1 down and he took off Defoe for Heskey. Don't get me wrong, Defoe wasn't playing brilliantly but he is a good poacher and if you need a goal (which we did) why take him off for Heskey who couldn't score in a you know what.
Why waste the final substitution by putting SWP on? He doesn't score goals and has had a poor season, but Crouch was there and whatever you think about Crouch i'd fancy him to score before SWP or Heskey any day.

Garyl2k · 27-06-10, 10:09 PM

Get Harry Rednap as England manager, that is what the nation is crying out for but sadly the FA seem to know best so if Cappelo does go i'm sure we will get another so called expert foreign manager.

Cefca · 28-06-10, 01:02 AM

I'd sack some of the players before Capello. They seem to think because they pretty much get guaranteed selection, that they don't need to put any extra effort in and just coast through. They should be dropped and people who will actually try should be played even if they aren't big names.

As for Glen Johnson being a liability? He was one of our better players in the tournament. That's not saying much, but still. Rooney and the centre backs were the real liabilities.

Everyone knew that Gerrard plays better in a central role and Rooney prefers to be alone up front, so I don't see why Capello couldn't use a 4-2-3-1 system. Something like:

Hart (Still think he's our best keeper and should have played regardless of experience).

Johnson----Terry----King----A. Cole

-----------Barry-----Lampard-----------

Milner--------Gerrard--------J. Cole

-------------Rooney--------------

That way you have Gerrard in his preferred position to support Rooney and an actual winger on the left.

Garyl2k · 28-06-10, 09:26 AM

Problem with picking people on form is that when they go back to the premiership they start performing... So then what does he do? Not pick players knocking in goals playing well, it's the BIG question mark hanging over our national team.

Why can they perform well for club level but not for International level...

Most have played champions league, some have actually won it so it's not like they can't handle it! I do agree that not all the blame should be Cappello's but since he drives the ship he will no doubt take the full brunt of things to come.

I personally don't see him quitting since it will cost the UK FA around £12M to drop his contract. Even Harry Rednap has defended his corner to not sack him, even though I'd like old Harry himself to take charge but oh well, maybe Cappello will listen to the fans and start making drastic changes!

**the_icks** · 28-06-10, 10:52 AM

AndyM · 28-06-10, 04:30 PM

I think that before they decide who is going to manage and who isn't, they should start campaigning to get fifa to implement goal line technology...especially for the world cup!!

**the_icks** · 28-06-10, 04:32 PM

What is needed is a manager with vision, not just one who bicks the most popular players... a bit like Wenger, he should have a total vision of how he wants the team to play, select one or 2 key players and find other players to fit around them.. nobody can score if they dont have the ball, I think the England defence should be more ashamed than Robert Green, the ref was running ahead of the defence when the long goal kick came in!! How can a ref out perform a world class player??

Ayo312 · 28-06-10, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Garyl2k

Get Harry Rednap as England manager, that is what the nation is crying out for but sadly the FA seem to know best so if Cappelo does go i'm sure we will get another so called expert foreign manager.

Werent these also the same people that were praising the capture of Capello as manager?

devanrajah · 29-06-10, 01:09 AM

Sack him.He doesn't even speak Eng properly how can he communicate properly with his player.Interpreter.lol

Alex Ferguson all the way

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27-06-10, 04:03 PM	#1
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27-06-10, 04:07 PM	#2
bmh16 Call me Ben .... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol / Neath Posts: 7,728	Definitely, the team has been consistently poor over 4 games and even dreadful at times, and one of the worst teams in the WC. Let's remember England had possibly the easiest group of the WC too yet they finished 2nd with 1 tight win and 2 draws. They have a team of very talented individuals, they didn't play as a team whatsoever making some awful errors. You've got to have a clearout. __________________ FREE PS3 \| FREE iPod Touch \| FREE Wii Spoiler

27-06-10, 04:20 PM	#5
az87aris Mini Mac Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 4,784	I'm in no way racist or anything, but i've failed to see how someone who can hardly speak a word of english can manage our team? I've tried to listen to him in his after game interviews and I really struggle to understand what he is saying, is it just me thinking this? __________________ Free iPhone 4S \| Free iPad 2 \| Free iPod \| Free Amazon Vouchers

27-06-10, 04:37 PM	#8
az87aris Mini Mac Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 4,784	Sven IMO is worse than capello, look at the shambles he's managing now! That tells you alot about him as a manager. I don't think it's just Capello that needs to go, half of the england squad need the get the chop, mainly Rooney. All he's done in every match is fall over the ball. He has an injured ankle, why the hell was he picked to play in the first place? __________________ Free iPhone 4S \| Free iPad 2 \| Free iPod \| Free Amazon Vouchers

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27-06-10, 04:32 PM	#6
chapperzUK Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southend, Essex Posts: 3,054	As soon as he was hired, expectations got blown out of proportion. First game and at half-time we were 0-0 with Andorra. People go on about his previous record, especially in Italy. Anyone else remember a manager who did well in Italy? Sven.

27-06-10, 04:49 PM	#9
TheDoctor Mini Mac Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: London Posts: 3,788	Capello has just told Sky sports News that he will not be resigning. Last edited by TheDoctor; 27-06-10 at 04:50 PM..

27-06-10, 05:18 PM	#10
Ayo312 iPod 30gb Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,019	For once can we let a manager see out their contract, it is beyond me why the chop is call so early, give them plenty of time to constuct a team and a mentality, we did crap in the WC but tbh the team is crappy, the players didnt perform and well the bench is just shocking with less than talented individuals. Really wish he had the balls the not start Rooney against ze Germans today, and Crouch and Defoe instead, would have made my day (coming from a Man U supporter...)

27-06-10, 10:09 PM	#13
Garyl2k iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dagenham, Essex Posts: 978	Get Harry Rednap as England manager, that is what the nation is crying out for but sadly the FA seem to know best so if Cappelo does go i'm sure we will get another so called expert foreign manager.

28-06-10, 01:02 AM	#14
Cefca iPod 60gb Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,713	I'd sack some of the players before Capello. They seem to think because they pretty much get guaranteed selection, that they don't need to put any extra effort in and just coast through. They should be dropped and people who will actually try should be played even if they aren't big names. As for Glen Johnson being a liability? He was one of our better players in the tournament. That's not saying much, but still. Rooney and the centre backs were the real liabilities. Everyone knew that Gerrard plays better in a central role and Rooney prefers to be alone up front, so I don't see why Capello couldn't use a 4-2-3-1 system. Something like: Hart (Still think he's our best keeper and should have played regardless of experience). Johnson----Terry----King----A. Cole -----------Barry-----Lampard----------- Milner--------Gerrard--------J. Cole -------------Rooney-------------- That way you have Gerrard in his preferred position to support Rooney and an actual winger on the left.

28-06-10, 09:26 AM	#15
Garyl2k iPod 20gb Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dagenham, Essex Posts: 978	Problem with picking people on form is that when they go back to the premiership they start performing... So then what does he do? Not pick players knocking in goals playing well, it's the BIG question mark hanging over our national team. Why can they perform well for club level but not for International level... Most have played champions league, some have actually won it so it's not like they can't handle it! I do agree that not all the blame should be Cappello's but since he drives the ship he will no doubt take the full brunt of things to come. I personally don't see him quitting since it will cost the UK FA around £12M to drop his contract. Even Harry Rednap has defended his corner to not sack him, even though I'd like old Harry himself to take charge but oh well, maybe Cappello will listen to the fans and start making drastic changes!

28-06-10, 10:52 AM	#16
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,996

28-06-10, 04:30 PM	#17
AndyM iPod Shuffle Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6	I think that before they decide who is going to manage and who isn't, they should start campaigning to get fifa to implement goal line technology...especially for the world cup!!

28-06-10, 04:32 PM	#18
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,996	What is needed is a manager with vision, not just one who bicks the most popular players... a bit like Wenger, he should have a total vision of how he wants the team to play, select one or 2 key players and find other players to fit around them.. nobody can score if they dont have the ball, I think the England defence should be more ashamed than Robert Green, the ref was running ahead of the defence when the long goal kick came in!! How can a ref out perform a world class player??

29-06-10, 01:09 AM	#20
devanrajah iPod Nano 1GB Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: United Kingdom,Kent Posts: 55	Sack him.He doesn't even speak Eng properly how can he communicate properly with his player.Interpreter.lol Alex Ferguson all the way