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This is a discussion on Do you have to be vegetarian to agree with the ban on fox hunting? within the Debating Forum forums, part of the Off Topic category; Originally Posted by Stilwell On a warm night i like to leave my windows open at night should i stop ...
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18-06-10, 04:14 PM
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However the incidents that happened are very sad but its no different to anything that could happen. **** happens in life and we have to deal with it. Destroying mother nature is not the answer. Dont know why it quoted like that Last edited by arcticfox; 18-06-10 at 04:17 PM.. Reason: fixed quote | |
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18-06-10, 04:31 PM
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| I agree 100% with Rollingsta.
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18-06-10, 04:39 PM
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| I didn't know that had even happened. It's an awful thing to have happened but the parents are partly to blame for leaving the door open for the fox to get in. If it was warm or what ever, open your windows, don't open the door and then sit and watch tv without keeping an eye on what is going on around you. As for leaving windows open at night, I'd advise you to only leave your small windows open if any else you could find yourself with more than just a fox in your bedroom!
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18-06-10, 04:54 PM
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04-08-10, 05:37 AM
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| if any else you could find yourself with more than just a fox in your bedroom? it was terrible! |
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18-08-10, 02:14 PM
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| in reply to the actual title, you definitely don't HAVE to be vegetarian to agree with ban on fox hunting - there are many non vegetarians who agree with the ban mainly due to the fact that they're not killing for food, the majority of the time they're killing for fun |
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15-01-11, 04:08 PM
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| I eat meat. IMO, Killing animals for meat is fine, since we make use of their dead body. Killing foxes for fun isn't, since we do not make use of the dead corpse. That's basically my opinion. |
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16-01-11, 07:45 PM
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 | But you make use of the process of creating a dead corpse. You are still, in a sense, making use of the corpse, because you couldn't have a fox hunt without a dead corpse. Just because you don't eat the saucepan doesn't mean you don't need it to make your meal. Also, in (very late) reply to jd123, the point I'm debating isn't a literal title, it is more "Do you have to be vegetarian to agree with the ban on fox hunting, without having flawed logic?" - i.e. without being hypocritical. |
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16-01-11, 07:54 PM
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| I would say a good formula to happiness (in my opinion the purpose of life), is 'Duration' multiplied by 'Enjoyment'. Meat is not a necessity in the third world, its popularity is a combination of preference and tradition. Tradition is irrelevant to moral reasoning - racism, cannibalism, sexism, huge gaps between the rich and the poor, etc, are all very very traditional features that have been very common throughout history, yet they are all widely considered to be morally wrong. Prefence is merely that - you prefer to have a diet with meat because you like it, and enjoy it. People say that it is ok because you are making use of the meat to live - but you have alternatives. It is the same as if I killed someone so I could use their ribcage to open my bottle of beer (no idea where that came from) - I have alternatives. The only reason people eat meat in a first world country is because they enjoy it. The only reason people fox hunt is because they enjoy it. In both scenarios you are making a direct trade-off between your happiness, and an animals potential suffering. It doesn't matter that the killing of the foxes in fox hunting potentially cause more suffering than animals culled for meat, because if you are making a moral judgement on causing an animal x amount of suffering, in return for y amount of your own pleasure, then you shouldn't morally make a judgement on others who wish to do the same but in a different format. And it is not only that you wish to judge others, but you wish to ban them from making the moral judgement themselves, by making it illegal. I hope this makes more sense than some of my previous ramblings! |
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16-01-11, 08:29 PM
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 Research suggests that our earliest ancestors were omnivorous. Hunting didn't always produce rich pickings, was dangerous and took time so they turned to whatever they could find to provide sustenance, including vegetation. Morality wasn't an issue, that evolved much later. All that mattered was surviving. Quote:
Overall though, whilst this has bought out all the typical arguments that come with a fox hunting discussion, very few have anything to do with the thread title.
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17-01-11, 02:50 AM
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Basically my argument is that people who have animals killed to eat meat (not as a necessity to live, but as a personal preference because they enjoy it) should not impose rules on other people killing animals for their enjoyment either. The meat eater gains happiness at the cost of potential suffering to an animal. The fox hunter gains happiness at the cost of potential suffering to an animal. In my opinion, lobbyists contributing to a ban on fox hunting would be the equivelant of vegetarians contributing to a ban on meat. As I have tried to state, this situation only applies where the choice of meat is one of enjoyment only. | |
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