Could their really be a God?

[keitaro258]

Or gods for that matter?

[mcgrou]

What are your own views?

[Larkino]

no

[az87aris]

Theres already a debate on this here: Is god real?

And, no.

[MJ10]

Man needs an unknown being to explain the unknown.

God just happens to fill that roll. I am not a literalist and believe every word in the bible happened... but I believe that the stories were told to help create a better life and should be taken in that way.

The bible is a guidline and God is a hope

[keitaro258]

Originally Posted by az87aris

Theres already a debate on this here: Is god real?

And, no.

Its a little short isn't it?

[mcgrou]

As was your opening post. You can get the debate going by opening with your own opinions/beliefs.

[az87aris]

But it's too the point lol

Children are made to believe in the likes of the easter bunny, santa claus etc, none of those really excisted and to me god is just the same. It's totally Make-believe.

[CCOLUMBOO]

Originally Posted by keitaro258

Its a little short isn't it?

LOL yes cos it got locked by a mod

[keitaro258]

Originally Posted by mcgrou

What are your own views?

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I don't know what to belive anymore I was raised to be a catholic but after a while I started questioning God. Theirs no proof but.... But before i thought the meaning of life was trying to get to heaven whats the point of life if its all going to end anyways? What happens after one dies and like MJ10 said do we only belive in heaven and God because we have no idea what happens after death? So we make up these stories of the afterlife. After I started questioning my beliefs I thought it through logicly and relized I couldn't find anything to suggest that god is real. I asked questions that no one in my family could answer. Whenever the couldn't answer they just said "its a question of faith either you belive in it or not". I asked to see other peoples answers. What they think about God.

[MJ10]

Watch "The intention of lying"!!!

[keitaro258]

Originally Posted by az87aris

But it's too the point lol

Children are made to believe in the likes of the easter bunny, santa claus etc, none of those really excisted and to me god is just the same. It's totally Make-believe.

Yes but the easter bunny doesn't have a series of books and millions of believers world wide.

[az87aris]

I think you missed the point..

[CCOLUMBOO]

faith strange word faith.

Religion I think was born to answer the unknown like why dose the Sun rise every morning etc etc and to control people with fear also mans own unwillingness to except that we are not really that important and yes one day you simply will not exist any more.

That last one seems very hard for for some people to grasp cos no one really wants to die but think about it this way.

Where were you be for you was born you simply didn't exist and sadly you won't exist when you die there is no after life heaven or hell.

[eonbar]

Could there be a God? is God real ...? huhhmmm.... This obviously is a hugely difficult question to conceptualize and understand let alone answer, but i guess i'll give you my own views.

as a physical thing i would say there is no God. i mean this as in there is nothing to touch, nothing to see. I dont believe that God created the world in 7 days, nor do i believe in a lot of what is written as a Perfect direct word for word translation. i think its open to interpretation, and i think as a body of text, a set of parribles and ideologies or just merely a guide i think its amazing. i also think that if i were born in a Islamic, Buddhist, other country i would adopt that religion. to me this doesn't lessen the importance or being of God.

What i am sure of those is that religion is a portrayal of a pro-evolutionary set of concepts which are imperative for cohabitation and social cohesion. evolution formulated a set of principles which we now know as morals. e.g. don't kill or steal were maxims which 'Tribe A' adheared too, whilst 'Tribe B' followed other maxims, society broke down and became unlivable due to mistrust, fear and hatered within the community. ANYWAYS, these morals were put in place by society, primative governments or kings. It was easier for the collective to benifit from these rules but only if everyone adhered to it, which could either be done by Policing or 'Fear of God' ... This is how i think religion came about.

this may make it sound like i dont believe in God but i would disagree.

hope, and a fear of death are probs the two things which i would say keep to holding on. all logic (and im a very logical person, maths physics for A level etc, weigh up any option etc etc...) tell me that there should be no God but to me this doesn't matter.

Think of it this way. Other metaphysical things, love, hate, fear, lust, etc. They're not real, they dont exist. The feeling you get when you listen to an amazing tune, the feeling you get when your standing on top of a mountain, the feeling you get when you see someone go out of their way to be nice. These are all things which arn't real, yet im pretty sure you still believe in them, as i do? if you can believe in love or hate, or fear then you must be able to believe in God. not believe in God, but BE ABLE TO BELIEVE. (have the ability to conceptualize it.)

i also think its down to experience. when i was 15, 16 etc i must say i didn't believe in God. i knew EVERYTHING. there was a certainty about it. as teens we all know everything. i'm not trying to be belittling, but after even only a few years and you've experienced different things then your ideas and preconceptions change drastically ...

God exists because without him i have no hope for things which are wholly unlikly and scientifically improbable. without him i'm going to die alone, and whenever i think about this i am gonna be scared ****less. the concept may have come about logically,but without him, or the idea of him in my life then i'd be lost. he exists for me in the same way as fear, love, hope, desire, etc exist and the feelings they impose on us....

When kids believe in santa it doesn't matter whether he actually exists or not, but just the concept of his existance makes him real. sometimes the idea is far more real than reality itself. sure you can't touch him, but does it matter????

anyways ... /essay

[CCOLUMBOO]

Originally Posted by eonbar

Think of it this way. Other metaphysical things, love, hate, fear, lust, etc. They're not real, they dont exist. The feeling you get when you listen to an amazing tune, the feeling you get when your standing on top of a mountain, the feeling you get when you see someone go out of their way to be nice. These are all things which arn't real, yet im pretty sure you still believe in them, as i do? if you can believe in love or hate, or fear then you must be able to believe in God. not believe in God, but BE ABLE TO BELIEVE. (have the ability to conceptualize it

I'm sorry but LOVE, HATE, FEAR, LUST, etc do exist they can be measured in an MRI just cos u can't touch them in a physical way they exist in a physical world

Originally Posted by eonbar

God exists because without him i have no hope for things which are wholly unlikly and scientifically improbable. without him i'm going to die alone, and whenever i think about this i am gonna be scared ****less. the concept may have come about logically,but without him, or the idea of him in my life then i'd be lost. he exists for me in the same way as fear, love, hope, desire, etc exist and the feelings they impose on us....

Think this is what I ment in my previous post believe born from fear

[eonbar]

Originally Posted by CCOLUMBOO

I'm sorry but LOVE, HATE, FEAR, LUST, etc do exist they can be measured in an MRI just cos u can't touch them in a physical way they exist in a physical world

they can't be measured. when someone is in an MRI and they experience those things becuase they are subjected to stimuli then the MRI picks up fluctuations in the brain activity. subject 10 people to things they fear and monitor it and you will see parallels in what goes on in peoples heads and this in turn in what the MRI measures. fear itself cannot be measured, only the amount of toxins / electrical impulses which each individual test case putts out.

additionally an MRI could also pick up fluctuations in people brain activity in the same way (but different parts of the brain) when people think about God. Its measurable, but isn't showing a measurement of God, but merely measuring a subjects output via electrical brain data ...

i don't think that therefore you statement impedes on mine?

Think this is what I ment in my previous post believe born from fear

born of fear is a possibility. 'dictatorship of the proletariat' according to ol KM is another. i think that social cohesion is a much more likely concept. Its pro evolutionary, logical and can easily be backed up by real life modern day examples....

[TheDoctor]

Basically, anythings possible so i guess, yes there could be a God, and anyone who thinks otherwise is very small minded.
It's basically the same as the dispute if aliens exist or not.

[tronsmith]

I beleive in the multiverse theory, whether it be parallel, layered, bubble etc I'm not sure.

Never the less I beleive that there is an infinate amount of universes, as such I beleive that everything that potentially could happen will/is/has happened, therefor, every type of god/diety exists somewhere... Well everything exists somewhere...

I beleive that if there is a universal... Sorry I mean multiversal god, I wouldn't think he is as any of us perseive him. I would have thought that he would create life everywhere and let it develope and learn on it's own. Any species can't progress past hate/war/death/crime etc will die out.

This is just my thoughts based on no evidence or rsearch. It's just what I beleive would be likely IF ther is a god.

[2345876]

IF THERE IS A GOD...

Spoiler

I know he likes to rock
He likes his loud guitars
His spiders from Mars
And if there is a God
I know he's watching me
He likes what he sees
But there's trouble on the breeze

Who are you this time?
Are you one of us, flying blind?
'Cause we're down here throwing stones
While you're so far from home

And if there is a God
And if there is a God
He's a spy with bedroom eyes
Who cowers in our skies

Who are you this time?
Are you one of us, flying blind?
'Cause we're down here throwing stones
While you're so far from home

If there is a God
If there is a God