Could their really be a God?

[Schism]

Originally Posted by MJ10

The bible is a guidline and God is a hope

Yeah, good way to put it and pretty much sums it up for me... but imo, I think anything you can't prove like that has just as much chance as happening as something else, because we really don't know.

I think there's something out there that the human brain cannot comprehend to even imagine.

[Snave]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Basically, anythings possible so i guess, yes there could be a God, and anyone who thinks otherwise is very small minded.
It's basically the same as the dispute if aliens exist or not.

I don't think it's quite the same.

The idea of aliens existing is extremely probable due to the huge amounts of planets unexplored etc - if we have evolved I'd say there's a fairly large chance that another species somewhere the in the universe has also evolved.

With God, slowly but surely, the stories told by the Bible are being disproved by Science. As time goes by and we can trace how we have come to exist further and further ago, I believe that the idea of God will become less and less easy for people to believe.

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by Schism

Yeah, good way to put it and pretty much sums it up for me... but imo, I think anything you can't prove like that has just as much chance as happening as something else, because we really don't know.

I think there's something out there that the human brain cannot comprehend to even imagine.

Totally my opinion.

Imo, i don't quite understand those people who write off the chances of a God or species we can't comprehend above us. I mean, just look at the sheer size of the universe. For it to be chance is much more unlikely for me!

[2345876]

Now in the Bible it says
Thou shalt not watch two lesbians in bed,
Have homosexual sex
Unless of course you were given the consent to join in
Then of course, it's intercourse
And it's bi-sexual sex
Which isn't as bad, as long as you show some remorse for your actions
Either before, during or after performing the act of that which
Is normally referred to have such, more commonly known phrases
That are more used by today's kids
In a more derogatory way but
Who's to say, what's fair to say, and what not to say?
Let's ask Dr. Dre

[Avinitlarge]

Santa Claus is real, God isnt though. Saying that, Isnt Rolf Harris god?

[tronsmith]

No, he's Australian.

[williamblah]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Basically, anythings possible so i guess, yes there could be a God, and anyone who thinks otherwise is very small minded.
It's basically the same as the dispute if aliens exist or not.

So you are saying that anyone who thinks there isn't a God is small minded? Your argument is that "anything is possible" therefore "God is possible". You could also say that "anything is possible" therefore "jelly being a living creature is possible". "Anything is posssible" therefore "Santa is possible".

I do not believe that there is a God. I very strongly believe that there is not a God. I don't think I am small minded. Everything that exists ever can either be explained scientifically, or it is unexplained. I do not see why us humans feel that we have to make something up to explain anything we don't understand. We are never ever ever ever going to be able to understand what happens after death. Ever! Nobody can die and then communicate what happens back to living people. There is physically no possible way we could know what happens after we die, and so it is stupid to even attempt to explain it in the way that almost all religions that I know of do. There is no way a hypothesis can be proven or disproven when we know that there is no evidence now, and there is never going to be any evidence.

Oh and a really really great piece on religion is to be found in the first chapter of Derren Brown's "Trick of the Mind". It talks all about how the dellusional tactics used by psychics / magicians / fraudsters etc are very similar to the structures and foundations of relgion.

Derren used to be a very strong Christian, and is now a confident atheist, and it summarises his journey.

[Snave]

Originally Posted by williamblah

So you are saying that anyone who thinks there isn't a God is small minded? Your argument is that "anything is possible" therefore "God is possible". You could also say that "anything is possible" therefore "jelly being a living creature is possible". "Anything is posssible" therefore "Santa is possible".

I do not believe that there is a God. I very strongly believe that there is not a God. I don't think I am small minded. Everything that exists ever can either be explained scientifically, or it is unexplained. I do not see why us humans feel that we have to make something up to explain anything we don't understand. We are never ever ever ever going to be able to understand what happens after death. Ever! Nobody can die and then communicate what happens back to living people. There is physically no possible way we could know what happens after we die, and so it is stupid to even attempt to explain it in the way that almost all religions that I know of do. There is no way a hypothesis can be proven or disproven when we know that there is no evidence now, and there is never going to be any evidence.

Oh and a really really great piece on religion is to be found in the first chapter of Derren Brown's "Trick of the Mind". It talks all about how the dellusional tactics used by psychics / magicians / fraudsters etc are very similar to the structures and foundations of relgion.

Derren used to be a very strong Christian, and is now a confident atheist, and it summarises his journey.

Such a great, great book!

[TheDoctor]

Originally Posted by williamblah

So you are saying that anyone who thinks there isn't a God is small minded? Your argument is that "anything is possible" therefore "God is possible". You could also say that "anything is possible" therefore "jelly being a living creature is possible". "Anything is posssible" therefore "Santa is possible".

Grow up.

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Grow up.

Says you

[TheDoctor]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Says you

Well i did type it........

[ElectroGirl]

Look, the thread is a debating one, not an argumentative one.
This subject is much like the others, you cannot explain it because it is all down to your opinion. It depends on what your interpretation of God is. From a white bearded man sitting on a cloud, to a spirit that lingers in hidden crevasses.

I have mixed opinions. I believe that the character of God is not real. I do however believe that there is some sort of force. I think it would be disrespectful to simply say 'We can't see him, we cant hear him. He's not real so stop being delusional.'.

Now, by force I may mean feeling. I'm not sure. In my family, quite a few. My aunt in a train accident and my grandparents from old age. This may sound weird, but I feel something. Not like TV shows such as 'Most Haunted'. Not a ghost, but someone watching me in a good way. It makes me feel safe. I believe that this is the force. To feel someone watching over you. To me, that is the closest thing to God I believe in.

[Adderz]

It's completely ignorant logically to either believe or denounce Gods existence. We're humans, we're specs of dust in the giant universe, what the hell do we know? There might be a God, there might not be. But what I do know is that either way, for as long as we're limited by our five sense we will never know, and that my friends, is forever

[ElectroGirl]

Good speech Adderz
I find it a bit like this:
I don't know how a car works, but I believe it anyway because someone told me so

[williamblah]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Grow up.

I don't understand why I need to grow up? I haven't said anything offensive to you, I have simply said that I disagree with your comment that all atheists are "very close minded" and explained the logic behind why I didn't agree with it.

I don't see a more mature way of responding to your comment? I would love to hear how you think I should have shared my opinion.

I don't think that is a very nice thing to say to someone that is simply joining in with a debate.

[williamblah]

Originally Posted by Adderz

as long as we're limited by our five sense we will never know

We actually have more than five senses.. Although I would imagine your point is still pretty solid even if we were limited by our ten or so senses...

[eonbar]

QI tells me that there are loads of senses.
At least 20ish?? hunger etc are senses just not the standard 5 that people believe in for whatever reason...

...its kinda like fruit and veg. 5 a day is not actually the recommended. its more like between 4 and 7, but its hardly catchy so the government stuck it at 5.

it doesn't really add to the argument, but maybe this will::: Talking about religion is like talking about love. as soon as you try and describe it you fall short of everything that it entails and everything it means to you. you can describe it in as much detail in as clear a way as possible, but to be honest there is no point in talking abut it because from both parties point of view they're never gonna understand, reason or hear what you mean...

i dunno if this is a relevant point, as its 3am on saturday night (and in other news i toped the casino 300 up, whooop whoop) ... but i still think it holds relevance. talking about it immediately detracts from what it means to individuals, as its kinda indescribable. potentially that in itself could make the argument void?.... Know what i mean?

[williamblah]

Originally Posted by eonbar

Talking about religion is like talking about love. as soon as you try and describe it you fall short of everything that it entails and everything it means to you. you can describe it in as much detail in as clear a way as possible, but to be honest there is no point in talking abut it because from both parties point of view they're never gonna understand, reason or hear what you mean...

I agree with your comment on both parties struggling to understand. It is probably similar for me thinking about god as it is for you guys who believe in god watching Most Haunted or something like that.

Note: That is not a direct parellel between god and Most Haunted, as I understand how that would be pretty offensive, seeing as that program is terrible! It's just some supernatural thing I could think of that 99% of even you strong believers in a god would think is bullcrap too!

[eonbar]

Originally Posted by williamblah

I agree with your comment on both parties struggling to understand. It is probably similar for me thinking about god as it is for you guys who believe in god watching Most Haunted or something like that.

Note: That is not a direct parellel between god and Most Haunted, as I understand how that would be pretty offensive, seeing as that program is terrible! It's just some supernatural thing I could think of that 99% of even you strong believers in a god would think is bullcrap too!

definatly agree. forgot i wrote that post last night. hahaha. yeh, im fine with people who believe in god and im fine with people who dont. what i dislike is how some people think themselves so open minded etc about religion but slate other things non-spiritual based.

dunno if i explained it right, but basically, i believe in god and am open to people who believe in spirits, ghosts, aliens etc etc etc, but there are some people who believe in god but think people who believe in aliens, ghosts etc are nutters.

this annoys me. im as much as a nutter as someone who believes in spirits/most haunted etc as we both rely on faith, unexplained data, personal experience etc

[williamblah]

Originally Posted by eonbar

what i dislike is how some people think themselves so open minded etc about religion but slate other things non-spiritual based.

You really really hit the nail on the head there. I strongly disbelieve in religion and the other things you mentioned. There are bodies and bodies of evidence against crystal powers, and voodoo, and astrology, and psychic reading, and there has never been one solid piece of evidence in the existence of ghosts.

The problem from an athiests point of view in trying to argue from their side is that religion is far less measurable than a lot of what I mentioned above, and so you cannot really conduct studies to research for evidence on either side.

The only thing you could do would be to somehow measure some factor across different faiths and across athiests. And you can already imagine how any results of that would be totally revoked by whatever it suggested towards.

If you were looking at it from a scientific debating perspective, it would be up to the believers in god to prove that he/she/it existed, and not for the non-believers to prove otherwise. I run my life logically, and, as South Park suggests, I have seen as much evidence of a spaghetti monster existing as I have god. And therefore I don't believe in god!