Fox Hunting

[bmh16]

Seen this topic too much times to ignore it and also the ignorance of many in it. One reason i want the Tories back as they won't back this larger scale ban on it. The foxes are scum and cause so much damage to ground (just like other pests like rabbits) and animals. Since when do our morals come into place to stop the slaughter of other animals for meats? The whole debacle surrounding the issue annoys the hell out of me and it seems to me it's always the same folk who oppose the ban: The city folk who have no idea with the countryside and what needs to be done to keep it in order because there's already too much damage cause by pests like foxes. Anyway i will leave my unstructured argument (as i cba to write much now) and see what everyone else thinks.

[gnazkull]

whos to say were more important than a fox? after all were only animals too.
foxes shold be left alone to live, kill and die naturally. foxhunting is only done to provide entertainment to small minded people and is useless as form of controlling fox numbers. nature controls foxes in its own way. foxes have fewer cubs when food is limited. its completely crual. just imagine yourself being chased by 50 or so dogs and men on horses.


just sayin

[SometingStu]

Who says we're more important than cows,pigs,sheep,lambs,ducks,chickens and turkeys?

Just sayin

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by SometingStu

Who says we're more important than cows,pigs,sheep,lambs,ducks,chickens and turkeys?

Just sayin

Hits the nail on its head. We care about the animals we eat but for the animalswho are countryside pests and mess up things for farmers etc. we love them. And for those who have an image of a fox and a wild rabbit being a cuddly animal you are far from the truth and oddly it is what they are portrayed to be by the idiots who know nothing about fox hunting etc.

[arcticfox]

when I saw the thread I wondered who was after me, lol

[Moofassa]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Seen this topic too much times to ignore it and also the ignorance of many in it. One reason i want the Tories back as they won't back this larger scale ban on it. The foxes are scum and cause so much damage to ground (just like other pests like rabbits) and animals. Since when do our morals come into place to stop the slaughter of other animals for meats? The whole debacle surrounding the issue annoys the hell out of me and it seems to me it's always the same folk who oppose the ban: The city folk who have no idea with the countryside and what needs to be done to keep it in order because there's already too much damage cause by pests like foxes. Anyway i will leave my unstructured argument (as i cba to write much now) and see what everyone else thinks.

Agreed 100% mate. Foxes if unchecked can cause huge lifestock and landscape damage, really detrimental to the rural economy. Same goes for rabbits, badgers etc. The traditional way of controlling numbers- ie the hunt is now on a serious decline as a result of the government.


The fact that the government banned hunting in the first place is rediculous - simply a vote grabbing policy that will appeal to people who no nothing about the ways of the countryside. Just to let you know I myself do not and have never hunted, but I have seen a few meets, and have one or two friends who have hunted.

A lot of people can easily form opinions about this, but have they ever seen it for themselves or tried to understand it? You probably imagine a group of rich, snobbish upper class people on horses trying to cruelly kill a fox for entertainment. That'd not quite the way it is. I read "Memoirs of a fox-hunting man" by Sassoon, the famous war poet, as a set text for International Baccalaureate coursework, read it and you'll gain an insight into the inner workings of the hunt and its importance to the people who love it.

[SometingStu]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Hits the nail on its head. We care about the animals we eat but for the animalswho are countryside pests and mess up things for farmers etc. we love them. And for those who have an image of a fox and a wild rabbit being a cuddly animal you are far from the truth and oddly it is what they are portrayed to be by the idiots who know nothing about fox hunting etc.

I'm not against or for fox hunting. It's something that really doesn't bother me, mainly because I haven't looked into it much. I just wanted to counter his argument, and the only thing that he could possibly say to counter our argument is that he's a vegitarian.

[kevan321]

It's about the way they're killed. If someone was to painlessly kill a fox it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

I don't know a great deal about fox hunting cause I have no interest in it, and I have no real interest in foxes either. I think hunting in general is pretty cruel, if you can't make sure the kill is as painless as possible then it's pretty wrong.

I agree that there are too many, they're everywhere! So a mass culling of them doesn't seem like too bad an idea, but not in the way it's done.

[SometingStu]

I agree that it's horrible, and in all honesty there's no reason for it.

Alot of people won't even buy the fur, and after the dogs are done with the fox there's no point in bothering to salvage it.

[bmh16]

For what foxes do to other animals i wouldn't say it's hardly deserved. I've seen what they do to chickens first hand and it is so horrible. Of all the animals out there they are some of the most horrible and disgusting verminlike of them all. Besides it's all over in an instant for them and when the hounds were there they would finish the foxes off in an instant if say the fox did actually survive first time?

[TheDoctor]

Foxhunting is disgusting and the majority of people who want it back are stupid upperclass people who have run out of things to do with their money.

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Foxhunting is disgusting and the majority of people who want it back are stupid upperclass people who have run out of things to do with their money.

Exactly the dumbass responses i was expecting, someone who knows bugger all about it.

[SometingStu]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Exactly the dumbass responses i was expecting, someone who knows bugger all about it.

Anybody else noticing a lack of, well everything in TheDoctor's posts recently?

To be honest, fox hunting is rather disgusting and cruel, but so are the foxes.

I'd be quite happy with t if they toned down the violence a little bit, what's wrong with going hunting with a bow and arrow or a rifle?

[Larkino]

Originally Posted by SometingStu

To be honest, fox hunting is rather disgusting and cruel, but so are the foxes.

I'm sure foxes are cruel, but that is natural. Charging them down on horses with a pack of dogs however, is cruel and not natural.

[FurbtasticM]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Exactly the dumbass responses i was expecting, someone who knows bugger all about it.

How can you pretend to want a serious debate when your posts are littered with "ignorance", "idiots" and now "dumbass".

[FurbtasticM]

Originally Posted by bmh16

For what foxes do to other animals i wouldn't say it's hardly deserved.

Errmm, isn't that the natural way. Unlike humans, foxes hunt to eat, to survive, not just for the fun of it.

How many people, horses and dogs does it take to kill one fox? If a cull is necessary, then there must be more efficient ways. The two arguments are different things.

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by FurbtasticM

How can you pretend to want a serious debate when your posts are littered with "ignorance", "idiots" and now "dumbass".

lol - If they explained the case more i wouldn't mind - just i have seen a huge amount of ignorance in this topic where people think foxes are some really cute, cuddly animal. And also the irony of a lot if is is that these people eat animals anyway and so don't condone the slaughter of other animals so why so had up about kiling some of the worst vermin there is out there?

Far from it, they are some of the most cruel animals there are. My dad and grand parents have seen what they are like first hand. They managed to get to about 20-30 chickens once. The chickens were found all dead, none gone, just there how the foxes killed them. The foxes weren't after them for food, but for the fun of killing them. They are disgusting vermn animals and i have even seen myself when 1 of our chickens was taken by a fox after what seemed like a while of playing with it as feathers were everywhere so basically it had skinned it all and then dragged it away. Basically there are not many worse animals than foxes. When they get out of hand this gets worse hence why they need to be hunted because they get out of hand ruining farmers' livestock.

Originally Posted by FurbtasticM

Errmm, isn't that the natural way. Unlike humans, foxes hunt to eat, to survive, not just for the fun of it.

How many people, horses and dogs does it take to kill one fox? If a cull is necessary, then there must be more efficient ways. The two arguments are different things.

I did brush on this just above, but thought i would add again. Foxes kill for the fun of it, they plan with their food and sometimes don't even have it. It's all a disgusting game to them and that's what people don't really understand about foxes!!

[kevan321]

Originally Posted by bmh16

lol - If they explained the case more i wouldn't mind - just i have seen a huge amount of ignorance in this topic where people think foxes are some really cute, cuddly animal. And also the irony of a lot if is is that these people eat animals anyway and so don't condone the slaughter of other animals so why so had up about kiling some of the worst vermin there is out there?

Far from it, they are some of the most cruel animals there are. My dad and grand parents have seen what they are like first hand. They managed to get to about 20-30 chickens once. The chickens were found all dead, none gone, just there how the foxes killed them. The foxes weren't after them for food, but for the fun of killing them. They are disgusting vermn animals and i have even seen myself when 1 of our chickens was taken by a fox after what seemed like a while of playing with it as feathers were everywhere so basically it had skinned it all and then dragged it away. Basically there are not many worse animals than foxes. When they get out of hand this gets worse hence why they need to be hunted because they get out of hand ruining farmers' livestock.


I did brush on this just above, but thought i would add again. Foxes kill for the fun of it, they plan with their food and sometimes don't even have it. It's all a disgusting game to them and that's what people don't really understand about foxes!!

It doesn't make a difference why they kill. It still doesn't make it right for us to kill them in that way.

As said, a culling I'd be fine with but not that way. It's just being cruel for no good reason.

Throughout this thread, all you've mentioned is that foxes are bad, and they should be killed. Most people are in agreement, but you've not made any real argument for the manner in which they are killed. Again you've said most people are fine with the slaughtering of animals etc, but that's in a controlled environment where the animal is put through the least amount of suffering possible.

[TheDoctor]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Exactly the dumbass responses i was expecting, someone who knows bugger all about it.

Excuse Me? On the news when the ban was just starting it was all the posh people in their Red coats whinging about how Jolly good fun it was to kill Defenceless animals....

And i know Foxes aint cuddly and cute but its been explained to death how natural it is for Foxes to hunt........

and SometingStu, what do you mean by the lack of everything in my posts?

[Schism]

Originally Posted by Larkino

I'm sure foxes are cruel, but that is natural. Charging them down on horses with a pack of dogs however, is cruel and not natural.

Exactly... and the sole intention of fox hunting isn't to keep the population of them down... you seen how long it takes for them to kill a fox etc? They're not very efficient at it at all!

And you say that it's okay to kill for food... that's for food, that's natural, but killing for the fun of it is horrible... it's nature that foxes do what they do to survive, if they didn't do it, they would kill themselves...