Should we respect our soldiers more?

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by Snave

Worldwide peace isn't ever going to happen.

You put 3 people in a room, eventually they're going to start fighting.

You put 3 countries next to each other, eventually they're going to start fighting.

That's humans for you.

Yep, exactly. Any excuse for a fight, it's our mentality. As awesome as worldwide peace sounds, it'll never happen i'm sure.

[williamblah]

Well that isn't my mentality! Just because we may never get there doesn't mean we should strive to get closer.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by NeonLord

Ok, you arn't even aarguing the right point anymore, there is a difference between supporting your troops and supporting war and so on. Troops deserve respect. end off.

No they don't you imbocile! They are murderers, nothing more nothing less! Would you show a typical murderer respect? Of course you wouldn't! So what difference does it make if he is murdering for his country? Anyone in that mindset where one has been brainwashed to go and kill someone else just because their country tells them they are enemies, when they have never even met each other deserve no respect at all!

[az87aris]

Originally Posted by Diesel

No they don't you imbocile! They are murderers, nothing more nothing less! Would you show a typical murderer respect? Of course you wouldn't! So what difference does it make if he is murdering for his country? Anyone in that mindset where one has been brainwashed to go and kill someone else just because their country tells them they are enemies, when they have never even met each other deserve no respect at all!

I here what you're saying but to be fair to the soldiers it's either kill or be killed, i know what i would do!

[NeonLord]

Diesel, calling me an imbocile for my opinion? you are a hypocrite, oh, and if you want to insult me, spell it correctly? its 'imbecile'. Grow up.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by NeonLord

Diesel, calling me an imbocile for my opinion? you are a hypocrite, oh, and if you want to insult me, spell it correctly? its 'imbecile'. Grow up.

I'm the hypocrite?! You just called me worthless for having my own opinion earlier! You're the hypocrite you little ****er.

Did you understand what i meant? Then thats all that matters, not my spelling.

And don't you have something better to do than focus on my spelling mistakes? Maybe you need to get off the internet and go give your murderer friends a little more respect...

[NeonLord]

Well i can always hope they come for you lol, and believe it or not, i can be on the internet and do what i have to do at the same time! multitasking, who knew!
I called you worthless because of how you talked about the soldiers, and i stand my what i said, they are good people helping us, its people like you who annoy me because you are ungrateful that they are giving there lives for you...

[arcticfox]

sigh.....maybe this thread should be changed to "should we respect our exceem members more?"

Come on guys, agree to disagree but less of the abuse or the thread will end up getting closed.

The point of a debating section is to debate, not to abuse.

[NeonLord]

Yeah, but i just dont think it is fair to debate this as people have already made there mind up, and all this is going to do is cause arguments, i already asked for this thread to be closed because of that....This isnt really a debate anymore, just an argument.

[the_icks]

I am sure that if there were oil reserves in Gaza we would already be there.... I have the utmost restect for the armed forces, but do often feel that its a sledgehammer to kill a walnut and that Afghanistan will be our Vietnam.

The British military action is even named after me!!

[williamblah]

Originally Posted by NeonLord

Yeah, but i just dont think it is fair to debate this as people have already made there mind up, and all this is going to do is cause arguments, i already asked for this thread to be closed because of that....This isnt really a debate anymore, just an argument.

Without debate there would never be anyone changing their minds, and without open minds comes extremism, which is almost never a good thing.

It is vital vital vital that people keep open minded and engage in healthy debate with those with an alternative opinion to their own. Otherwise, they simple circulate their beliefs, rejecting any opposing evidence and reinforcing their opinion with evidence that supports it. This leads to extremist, violent, and dangerous views.

Edit: I am not targetting you in particular by the way, and I have enjoyed reading what you (and others) have to say, as it helps me to learn, and to evolve and develop my own opinions.

[NeonLord]

I know, but my point was that no one is going to change there minds about this...as much as i would like to debate and change peoples minds into showing even abit of respect for our soldiers, i just dont see that happening in this forum...which is why this is my last post in this thread, just not nice knowing your friends are over there and hearing what some of the people in here are saying, and i dont want to put up with it.

[tombsc]

Originally Posted by williamblah

But millions of lives would have been saved.

I just cannot believe that so many countries have nuclear weapons, and spend billions of pounds creating and maintaining them. If we were nuclear bombed by a country, I would NOT want to send a nuclear bomb back over to kill millions MORE people. Just because they go by a different 'label' - German, British, whatever - the point I am making is if you were born into Germany, you would more than likely be fighting the British. What I am saying is that people CANNOT comprehend the answer to disputes this large.

Say 90% of British supported fighting German troops in WWII, and 10% of British people didn't want to join the war because they agreed with the German perspective. This is just example figures that I grabbed out of the air, but they prove my point never the less. This would suggest that 9 out of 10 rational people support fighting the Germans.

Now let us look at the German support for fighting British people. I would imagine the figures are similar, 90% supported fighting the British, and 10% of Germans supporting the British cause, and hoping for a German surrender..

This means that MAXIMUM of 20% of people would hold the judgement were they born in either country. The other 80%, or more, of people would grossly change their opinion were they born in the alternative country, and as such, should be allowed no input in the decision, as they merely represent the views of who is in government, who is in charge of propaganda, whoever it is that has 'brainwashed'/changed/altered their opinion.

If you were put onto a desert island with a small number of people, I am sure you would make an agreement very soon that nobody on the island was to kill another, and you would stick to it. If you had a dispute, I am confident you would not kill one another. If some of you found another island and went to live their, you would still not kill one another. Yet multiply this by factor one million, and you end up with people killing each other. When you have 10 in your "world", dispute are relatively easy to solve, whereas when there are millions and millions of people involved, disputes become incomprehendable, and this is when people are told by their government, or by whoever, that the solution is to kill people.

I suggest you go and read Lord of the Flies.

[Moofassa]

Originally Posted by Diesel

No they don't you imbocile! They are murderers, nothing more nothing less! Would you show a typical murderer respect? Of course you wouldn't! So what difference does it make if he is murdering for his country? Anyone in that mindset where one has been brainwashed to go and kill someone else just because their country tells them they are enemies, when they have never even met each other deserve no respect at all!

Diesel - Cannot stand this I'm afraid. Firstly you're assuming that all soldiers are front-line combatants, intent on bloodlust. This is crazy - I know people training to be in the Army (particularly Engineers) which do a great deal of humanitarian work, disaster relief etc.
And in any case, how can you pigeon-hole soldiers into the category of murderers? Murderers are people like Derrick Bird. I cannot say that I am supportive of the course that our government has taken - in fact I wish we never went into Iraq/Afghanistan, but thats a seperate issue. The politicians are the ones you want to consider there, not your average soldier who does a tough job, no matter where he/she is stationed. Whatever your political alleigances, I believe that soldiers still deserve our respect, at the very least our acknowledgement of the difficult conditions they operate in. Remember: Many of your average privates come from deprived areas where the state has failed them, where the army is the only way out, a chance at something better. Accusing every soldier of being a murderer is rediculous in my opinion - feel free to qualify why you think so if you wish - but I will never be able to agree with you.

If you want to have a seperate debate about the morality of war, can killing ever be justified etc - thats fine. But on the subject of respect for our armed forces, surely they deserve our respect.