Should we respect our soldiers more?

williamblah · 03-12-09, 02:10 AM

That's what the servicemen of our country do!

Terrorists don't do it because they just fancy blowing people up, they do it because they believe it is necessary in securing the future of humanity! Suicide bombers believe that they are killing themselves for the greater good. They are almost certainly wrong, but they believe that nonetheless. A lot of them are trained from a young age to believe what they do, they are almost brainwashed. They believe that they are sacrificing themselves for the rest of us. Let's say you believed that you had to blow yourself up for the future generations, could you do it? They've got a lot of courage. And they are more similar to our soldiers than you'd think.

This isn't mine, but this guy is spot on:

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Evil people know what is evil and do it anyway. If you think you're doing good, and you're wrong, you're not evil; you're mistaken. People who are willing to kill & die for God are the most sincere people in the world. But they're not good unless their God is good. A good God may tell people to kill evil people, but He will never tell people to kill good people, or innocent people, or people who happen to believe the wrong thing. This perverse idea of God did not start with the Koran, or even with the story of Joshua. It started with the story of Abraham & Isaac.

Abraham supposedly heard a voice from God telling him to sacrifice his son. Of course, the Moslems say it was Ishmael, not Isaac, but that?s beside the theological point. The point is, he heard a voice from God? knows where, telling him to kill his son. Did he check it out with the local priesthood? No. He just assumed it was the god to whom he was accountable, though God as we use the term today wasn?t even imagined in the Bronze Age. And then he did it ? almost. But just as he raised the dagger, God stopped him, congratulated him for passing the test of faith, and promised him reward for obedience.
Message: Obey God, and you will be rewarded.
In fact: Obey what you believe to be the voice of God, and you will be rewarded.
In fact: Obey what you believe to be the voice of God, no matter how insane or immoral those directions may appear, and you will be rewarded.
But now that we have the Word of God written down, such voices in the sky (or head) are generally regarded as unreliable. Now it's: Obey what you believe your Holy Scriptures are telling you, no matter how insane or immoral those directions may appear, and you will be rewarded.

Please don't take this as "Terrorism is a good thing", because that is not what I am saying. I am not saying that I approve of or condone any of their actions in any way. But there is absolutely nothing a human can do which exclude them from their basic human rights.

Edit: If any of this has got you thinking, another good read: http://sjhoward.co.uk/archive/2005/0...heyre-not-evil

Apologies for dragging this off topic!

pspupgrade · 03-12-09, 07:21 AM

Slightly back on topic, I think that the respect that soldiers get is based on how much the public realise they are protecting us.

In WWII, people felt the strain of the war as it happened; bombs were dropped on their houses, food supplies went down, people's friends died. As the people living at that time saw a German plane being gunned down by a Spitfire, they would cheer, in the knowledge that the heroic man piloting that Spitfire and the other servicemen would eventually restore peace and normal life.

In our current day situation, I don't see the same thing. It's fair to say that just about all of us don't completely know why we're fighting this war. We just look at the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and dismiss it, thinking that the only people being protected are the civilians of those countries, and not us. I would partly blame this on politics, and the excuses of war, but I would mostly say that we don't realise that these soldiers made the choice to join the army. They could've chosen to have normal jobs at home, but instead they decide to go abroad, and risk losing their lives to protect us from threats that we don't even realise to the full extent.

joewarne · 03-12-09, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

I can't say I believe in national service as I don't particuarly believe in war. However, I think people do respect the soldiers, its just people say that we don't when we actually do, if you get what I mean.

Also, for the record human rights is a bunch of nonsense. Does a terrorist deserve human rights? no he does not.

Regarding Iraq/Afghanistan, I don't give a toss about them so get our soldiers out.

I believe thats why there is the terroism act which entitles the government to keep someone uncharged for something like 42 days. This is clearly giving their human rights up even if they are not terrorists.

pengasius · 06-12-09, 12:29 AM

one word....

joewarne · 06-12-09, 12:41 AM

one word ^^ Fail

ElectroGirl · 06-12-09, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pengasius

one word....

Whenever I see your username I misinterate it for something else

pengasius · 06-12-09, 01:16 AM

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one word ^^ Fail

...lol

but i love this song....
all he say it's shocking like the lyric at the end!

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Whenever I see your username I misinterate it for something else

im like this ugly monkey called courious goerge: im courious what kind of thing u misinterate my username....

joewarne · 06-12-09, 01:17 AM

I think your missing the point, we cant see the video, we just get a white box, u posted it wrong.

williamblah · 06-12-09, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ElectroGirl

misinterate

You should send that to the Oxford Dictionary, it's a nice new word!

What does it mean?

Larkino · 06-12-09, 01:21 AM

tbf he's from quebec

williamblah · 06-12-09, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Larkino

tbf he's from quebec

electrogirl isn't

Harvez · 06-12-09, 11:38 AM

I see these debate sections have gone to Sh!t with nobody following the rules, knew it wouldn't last long.

ElectroGirl · 06-12-09, 02:42 PM

I meant misread...
If know one is going to debate, there is know debating..

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