Should we allow gays to marry?

[joewarne]

Originally Posted by keitaro258

Because the majority of the populas is not gay its up to the other 87% to say yes. This was mostly directed toward the people that arent gay.

But you could argue that I could have said are you going to vote yes or no on gay marrige.

How is it up to the other 87% to dictate how they treat gay people, you're using the same argument that lead to slavery. Gay people have exactly the same rights as you or me, its not up to you to decide what they can or cannot do. Its like an ethnic minority being told that they cant use this bus etc

[elliotknell]

There was no "argument that led to slavery". It just arose as an acceptable practice. Noone had to argue for it to get it established.

[joewarne]

Originally Posted by elliotknell

There was no "argument that led to slavery". It just arose as an acceptable practice. Noone had to argue for it to get it established.

I am sorry Sir, "the argument that maintained it"

[elliotknell]

*sigh*..... Comparing slavery and homosexuality are like comparing apples and oranges. Slaves did not choose to become slaves, they were forced. Gay people have complete free will in their sexuality, and so should be willing to shoulder any critisism or abuse.

[Larkino]

Are you suggesting gay people choose to be gay? I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

[oXoDCoXo]

Originally Posted by elliotknell

*sigh*..... Comparing slavery and homosexuality are like comparing apples and oranges. Slaves did not choose to become slaves, they were forced. Gay people have complete free will in their sexuality, and so should be willing to shoulder any critisism or abuse.

TOTALLY disagree, if people could choose to be gay.. do you really think they would considering all the stick they get for it ?

people dont CHOOSE to be gay

[keitaro258]

Originally Posted by elliotknell

*sigh*..... Comparing slavery and homosexuality are like comparing apples and oranges. Slaves did not choose to become slaves, they were forced. Gay people have complete free will in their sexuality, and so should be willing to shoulder any critisism or abuse.

wat your saying is that i could choose to be gay and now some how be attracted to guys?

[elliotknell]

Not at all. From my decent knowledge of genetics, your body does not force you to become gay. It comes from external influences. Therefore, someone will have some degree of choice in whether he is gay or not. Slaves have no choice.

[mcgrou]

Originally Posted by elliotknell

gay people have complete free will in their sexuality, and so should be willing to shoulder any critisism or abuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ1I_-MY_NY

[keitaro258]

Originally Posted by joewarne

How is it up to the other 87% to dictate how they treat gay people, you're using the same argument that lead to slavery. Gay people have exactly the same rights as you or me, its not up to you to decide what they can or cannot do. Its like an ethnic minority being told that they cant use this bus etc

ok then do you think gays should be allowed to marry
to end that arguement

[oXoDCoXo]

Originally Posted by elliotknell

Not at all. From my decent knowledge of genetics, your body does not force you to become gay. It comes from external influences. Therefore, someone will have some degree of choice in whether he is gay or not. Slaves have no choice.

you have the choice to come out or not... but not if your gay or not... external influences you as a person cant control and therefore is not your decision to become gay

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by elliotknell

Not at all. From my decent knowledge of genetics, your body does not force you to become gay. It comes from external influences. Therefore, has a choice it whether he is gay or not. Slaves have no choice.

This is what really irks me about scientists, they act as though science has learned everything its ever going to learn.

What was once called "magic" can now be researched at the library or taught in school. Things that were once attributed to God are now considered basic physics and are fully explained.

The field of genetics, as with many other scientific disciplines, is in its infancy. So mate Im sure you're "decent knowledge" if genetics is miles beyond mine and other exceemers', but even if you knew more than anyone in the world about genetics, it is foolish to assume you can be certain about this.

My aunt and uncle knew my cousin would be gay from when he was very young, and lo and behold he was/ Its not like they gave him a pink bedroom and sang George Michael songs to him growing up, so are you suggesting he chose to be gay?

One day in the next hundred years I believe genetics will have an answer to that question, but right now none of us are in any position to say there is no gene whatsoever relating to sexuality.

[FurbtasticM]

Gay Marriage

[corky20]

I don't understand people saying 'you choose to be gay or not'? You are either gay or you aren't. If you are attracted to the same sex it's something that you can't change.

This is the 21st century, times have changed and being gay has become more acceptable. I'm all for people being themselves and being accepted for who they are. I don't think it's fair for them to be discriminated against by not letting them get married.

I know there are those who believe in God and all that stuff about gay people going to hell so they are going to have issues with this topic. I don't believe all that stuff so don't have the slightest problem with a gay person getting married, I don't really see the problem. If they choose to get married in a church it's their choice, again who are we to dicriminate against them, they should have the same rights!

[keitaro258]

the conflict is this discrimination is wrong
you can belive in whatever you want to belive
gays are being discriminated by not being able to get married in church but the church belives only a man and women can get married

so what law should be followed beliefs or discrimination

[the_saint]

@barcelonic - fair point on the confusion bit earlier (forgot to quote it).

Originally Posted by barcelonic

This is what really irks me about scientists, they act as though science has learned everything its ever going to learn.

To be fair, most scientist aren't like him! I have a degree in biology (though I changed career paths) and have a lot of friends who are now research scientists. They do not think they know it all, they are scientists because they are trying to find answers. A good scientist does not take anything as fact and always questions things. That is the point of reasearch, to find answers.

In response to his point about genetics and sexuality, I know about genetics through having a 2.1 (69%) in biology from a VERY good university and I can categorically state that no one knows with any degree of certain if sexuality is nature or nurture, or whether it is a mixture of the two (and if so in what ratio) and anyone who says otherwise is trying to use science to give authority to a viewpoint which it can't support.

Originally Posted by keitaro258

gays are being discriminated by not being able to get married in church but the church belives only a man and women can get married

That's because the catholic church is against homosexuality, and you can only get married in a catholic church if you are catholic. You shouldn't force a religion to accept people in to it that go against it's preachings. And if you go against it's teachings why would you want to be a part of it anyway?

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by the_saint

To be fair, most scientist aren't like him! I have a degree in biology (though I changed career paths) and have a lot of friends who are now research scientists. They do not think they know it all, they are scientists because they are trying to find answers. A good scientist does not take anything as fact and always questions things. That is the point of reasearch, to find answers.

Agreed. I guess i was struggling to phrase it. Essentially what i was trying to say was "i hate people who say that" but didnt want to sound like i hated him, so somehow ended up blaming scientists. I agree though scientists arent at all like that, because people only become scientists to find answers, if they felt like that then they wouldnt do what they do.

But i agree that poster was coming across (whether intentionally or not) like someone who feels something is or isnt so because it is not explained in any of the many genetics books he's read.

[Kash]

I don't really care about religion however since marriage is religious should be up to the priest or whoever marries people, to decide ? At the end of the day religion is man made so if gay people are MEN (or women)... isnt it up to them???

However I think whether its nature or nurture (since nothing proven) it IS unnatural. I'm not homophobic at all, however scientifically I think a man and man (or woman) should not be attracted to each other sexually because
1) our bodies are not created for this purpose
2) because the human race would not continue (naturally) if everyone thought this way

But since two females or two males CAN have babies (through ivf etc) and the world is already overpopulated then it doesn't even matter what i think !

[ash88]

i think they should be allowed to

[TheDoctor]

I dont see how its our business who should be allowed to get married......