Should we allow gays to marry?

joewarne · 31-10-09, 02:32 PM

Ive no problem with them getting civil partnerships, but they cant get married in a church in my opinion. I have no doubt that gay people love their partners as much as straight people do, but a church is for a man and a woman.

The question of gay adoption. I'd rather have a child adopted in a stable gay relationship rather than being aborted or in a violent and rough straight relationship where the parents dont want the child.

oXoDCoXo · 31-10-09, 02:35 PM

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The thing that worries me is how children would act with two father figures? Would they grow up believing that their parents are just part of the norm and so be led to live their lives the same?

99% sure thats total bollocks... in a nice way

I would think that was the opposite tbh

lad at my school has a lesbian mum and mum (or however you wanna put it) yet he is probably one of the most "ladish"

Schism · 31-10-09, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by joewarne

The question of gay adoption. I'd rather have a child adopted in a stable gay relationship rather than being aborted or in a violent and rough straight relationship where the parents dont want the child.

Yeah I agree there, that's a good point

Amiethest · 31-10-09, 03:10 PM

I always run with the arguement that if you were adopted, there's a strong chance that you were really wanted, whereas anyone has the ability to reproduce, whether they want the product or not.

I still think that there's no reason that children shouldn't have two parents of the same sex. As long as they love them what's the issue?

the_saint · 31-10-09, 03:11 PM

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intersex meaning she has both... or am i not getting this (i best not say or am i confused in this thread

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Intersex is best described as a term that covers any number of conditions where the person is neither completely male nor female but something else. So they could be a hermaphrodite and have both.

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if she has both then i would stay WELL away

Nah, something to grab hold of to get extra leverage!

barcelonic · 31-10-09, 08:02 PM

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Why not teach them? Surely they are just going to get confused about it later when they encounter it. Just teach in a matter of fact way. No one knows for sure whether it is a nature or nurture thing, so don't teach it as either.

Did you get confused when you encountered it then? Because i didnt and neither did any one of my friends. Everything academic i learnt growing up came from school, but school isnt the only place kids learn. Everything they learn about people and lifestyle and fashion and tradition and society doesnt come from school, but maths, science and languages etc.. come from school.

Why change that now by teaching them about homosexuality? As i said, its never been taught before in schools and yet gay people still end up being gay and straight people straight.

When you say "they'll get confused when they encounter it" what do you mean exactly? Is that how you felt when you first discovered homosexuality??

mcgrou · 31-10-09, 08:09 PM

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Did you get confused when you encountered it then? Because i didnt and neither did any one of my friends. Everything academic i learnt growing up came from school, but school isnt the only place kids learn. Everything they learn about people and lifestyle and fashion and tradition and society doesnt come from school, but maths, science and languages etc.. come from school.

Why change that now by teaching them about homosexuality? As i said, its never been taught before in schools and yet gay people still end up being gay and straight people straight.

When you say "they'll get confused when they encounter it" what do you mean exactly? Is that how you felt when you first discovered homosexuality??

If they get taught about different sexualities before they start using "gay" in a derogatory sense with friends/on the internet, then all the better.

One of my biggest annoyances is when people say things like "you're gay", "that's so gay", "windows is gay", "the ps3 is gay", etc. Gay =/= Bad

As for marriage, then I am unsure as to how you define it. If you are referring to the Christian version of marriage in a church etc, then I am unsure why homosexuals would want to be married in the eyes of a religion that is openly against their sexuality.

LiamGTR · 31-10-09, 08:22 PM

Why not, aslong as they are fit enough to be parents I don't see why not

barcelonic · 31-10-09, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgrou

If they get taught about different sexualities before they start using "gay" in a derogatory sense with friends/on the internet, then all the better.

One of my biggest annoyances is when people say things like "you're gay", "that's so gay", "windows is gay", "the ps3 is gay", etc. Gay =/= Bad

As for marriage, then I am unsure as to how you define it. If you are referring to the Christian version of marriage in a church etc, then I am unsure why homosexuals would want to be married in the eyes of a religion that is openly against their sexuality.

Do you really think kids misuse that word because they arent taught tolerance at a young enough age, or do you not just think they are mocking homosexuality because of what it is? Kids will be kids at the end of the day - if you teach them "gay" at aged 10 they'll be calling each other "gay" ten minutes later, same goes for aged 8, aged 6 etc..

But very good point about the marriage thing - if i was gay i'd hate religion (..even more than i already do lol).

joewarne · 31-10-09, 08:55 PM

The way the question was put was pretty diturbing.

"Should we allow gays"....

Its like they are a sub human species and "we" rule over them.

mcgrou · 31-10-09, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by barcelonic

Do you really think kids misuse that word because they arent taught tolerance at a young enough age, or do you not just think they are mocking homosexuality because of what it is? Kids will be kids at the end of the day - if you teach them "gay" at aged 10 they'll be calling each other "gay" ten minutes later, same goes for aged 8, aged 6 etc...

The word gay is way too overused as a synonym for bad. Education can't worsen this.

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The way the question was put was pretty diturbing.

"Should we allow gays"....

Its like they are a sub human species and "we" rule over them.

I thought this too.

barcelonic · 31-10-09, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgrou

The word gay is way too overused as a synonym for bad. Education can't worsen this.

You're right it cant worsen it but it certainly can't make it better.

mcgrou · 31-10-09, 10:36 PM

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You're right it cant worsen it but it certainly can't make it better.

... how so? Until the sexuality of a person is not deemed important in the slightest bit, there will always be this sort of name-calling. The only way for this to happen is to introduce people to different sexualities from an early age, rather than it being hidden away from them, as though its something wrong.

Larkino · 31-10-09, 10:37 PM

Don't introduce sexuality earlier, BNP will have a field day.

mcgrou · 31-10-09, 10:39 PM

Maybe that wasn't worded well, but it causes a lot less harm in the long run than ignoring it completely and kids being lead to think that being gay is something bad.

keitaro258 · 31-10-09, 10:44 PM

Well out of the hundreds of orphans out there im sure one of them at least would be happy to be adopted but it could cause teasing so im not sure either.

As for the marrige thing I understand that they ont want gays to marry due to the whole "only a man and a woman can get married" thing thats religion theres no way they can impose it because if there cristian n wat not if they get married there going against the church. The part I dont understand is y cant they adopt?

keitaro258 · 31-10-09, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by joewarne

The way the question was put was pretty diturbing.

"Should we allow gays"....

Its like they are a sub human species and "we" rule over them.

Because the majority of the populas is not gay its up to the other 87% to say yes. This was mostly directed toward the people that arent gay.

But you could argue that I could have said are you going to vote yes or no on gay marrige.

barcelonic · 31-10-09, 10:54 PM

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... how so? Until the sexuality of a person is not deemed important in the slightest bit, there will always be this sort of name-calling. The only way for this to happen is to introduce people to different sexualities from an early age, rather than it being hidden away from them, as though its something wrong.

Id have to disagree with that. I learned about homosexuality at a young age as did most people.

Such name-calling is essentially a less mature form of homophobia, which is a part of human nature. You can't stop racism by simply educating the young about race. Minorities will always be picked on for being minorities. Unless there are no more minorities and we are part of an evenly split racial population, and there is an equal amount of hetero and homosexuals, then nothing will change. And even were that the case, there'd still be discrimination stemmed from loyalty/pride to one's own race/sexuality.

What age do you think kids should be taught about homosexuality, and why is it you think that would lessen name-calling?

TEMPLE3188 · 31-10-09, 11:05 PM

I disagree with gays having children, they can do what they like and go and get married etc because the whole meaning of it is pathetic these days.

Most gays are attention whores

Giving gays kids is like killing them in my opinion, their destined for a lifetime of humiliation and confusion, especially a problem throughout their childhood and school years, would drive them to suicide from all of the agro

barcelonic · 31-10-09, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TEMPLE3188

I disagree with gays having children, they can do what they like and go and get married etc because the whole meaning of it is pathetic these days.

Most gays are attention whores

Giving gays kids is like killing them in my opinion, their destined for a lifetime of humiliation and confusion, especially a problem throughout their childhood and school years, would drive them to suicide from all of the agro

Every child deserves the best start in life yet the majority don't get it. Kids get abused, neglected and many grow up in poverty.

The only one thing a child needs to become a good and happy adult, is love. Lots and lots of it. Kids who are up for adoption have already had a horrible start to their life and desperately need a family. So if two loving parents will take them into their family and love them unconditionally and treat them well, then who cares if they are a gay couple.

I think your belief that anyone who gets stick in school is going to go and kill themselves is unfounded, as is your claim that kids adopted by gays would grow up confused and humiliated.

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joewarne Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Great Yarmouth Posts: 4,742	Ive no problem with them getting civil partnerships, but they cant get married in a church in my opinion. I have no doubt that gay people love their partners as much as straight people do, but a church is for a man and a woman. The question of gay adoption. I'd rather have a child adopted in a stable gay relationship rather than being aborted or in a violent and rough straight relationship where the parents dont want the child.

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joewarne Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Great Yarmouth Posts: 4,742	The way the question was put was pretty diturbing. "Should we allow gays".... Its like they are a sub human species and "we" rule over them.

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keitaro258 iPod Nano 4GB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA California Posts: 200	Well out of the hundreds of orphans out there im sure one of them at least would be happy to be adopted but it could cause teasing so im not sure either. As for the marrige thing I understand that they ont want gays to marry due to the whole "only a man and a woman can get married" thing thats religion theres no way they can impose it because if there cristian n wat not if they get married there going against the church. The part I dont understand is y cant they adopt?