Are companies expecting too much?

beezer123 · 15-10-09, 07:41 PM

I've been trying to find a job in computer/web design related fields lately but every single advert that I have looked at are looking for people who have had say five years experience.

My angry point is that how are people meant to get experience if they don't get the chance in the first place?

What happened to good old fashioned training of a new employee?

Are companies just expecting someone who can do the job and do the job from the beginning?

omairt · 15-10-09, 07:45 PM

You might have trouble finding a job at the moment. With pretty much all companies strapped for cash, they don't want to be spending more money and time on training when they can get someone who knows the ins and outs of the industry.

I feel your pain though. I can't get a job despite having given my CV to over a hundred different places. Btw, this for sh!tty shelf stacking jobs as well, nothing too high up...

mcgrou · 15-10-09, 07:45 PM

By 5 years, do they not mean just 5 years working as a graphic designer? You could earn some bread and a decent portfolio doing jobs on DP and the like. If they mean they need you to have at least 5 years experience as an employee, then I don't know mate, it seems like you'll just have to keep looking until you find somewhere that has less requirements. Good luck with it

Chief · 15-10-09, 07:54 PM

u could do some voluntary work for them for while, then if they think your good u mite get the job. If not u can add it to ur cv as experience.

oXoDCoXo · 15-10-09, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief

u could do some voluntary work for them for while, then if they think your good u mite get the job. If not u can add it to ur cv as experience.

thats sort of what i did, i did my work experience with a company then they thought i was good so are going to employ me over the summer holidays next year

**MJ10** · 15-10-09, 08:07 PM

Totally aggree beezer... I've had this before. It's so hard and makes no sense! I've managed to get past this by "knowing" people and getting odd jobs related to the line of work, even if it's a couple of weeks or months.

I think the simple answer is YES they expect too much, especially in the current economic climate. It does seem pretty ridiculous.

Still, either you've got to obey them or blow their mind with your interview skills. (I would try and bypass applications and go straight to the phone or email from my experience. I was offered a job at Rolls Royce due to me emailing them direct, whereas I was rejected from almost everywhere when just doing forms!)

Harvez · 15-10-09, 08:14 PM

there will be some jobs about that are asking for less qualified people, my job was just a technician but within 3mths i had redesigned the whole school network and dragged them kicking and screaming to use emails.

within 6mths I was the network manager, started on £13,500 5 years later almost 30k
just need to get your foot in the door then prove your worth.

beezer123 · 15-10-09, 08:44 PM

cheers for the advice people.
It's just such an annoying being unable to even apply for a job as you don't have the experience that is required for it.

I wish places would let you prove your worth to them before even writing off that chance in the first place.

ainsleee · 15-10-09, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harvez

there will be some jobs about that are asking for less qualified people, my job was just a technician but within 3mths i had redesigned the whole school network and dragged them kicking and screaming to use emails.

within 6mths I was the network manager, started on £13,500 5 years later almost 30k
just need to get your foot in the door then prove your worth.

Do you have a degree? If so in what? As Id like to work as a techie/network manager.

Dont worry beez, everyone is in the same boat at the moment, even if you did have 5 years experience it would still be hard getting a job.

grabrail · 16-10-09, 06:26 AM

part of the problem is, when a company is advertising for a role, they want it filled for a specific reason by a specific type of person. If they employ someone with no training or experience in the field then they need to go to great expense to get you up to a level that is required to fill the role in the first place.

Also "computer/web design" is quite general. Is it specific design type jobs you want to go for or computer support type role, either way I would look at self study and certification so when you go to these interviews you have something to show them. Also If something like web design you need to build a portfolio of work you hae done. This can be sites you have put together for yourself and friends and family, but they need to be good to impress them. After all they can employ someone straight into the role that can just sit down and go.

It is down to you to convince them you are worth investing in.

Ainslee: if you want to be a techie I would like at getting yourself MCSE qualified or similar depending on what area you are thinking of entering. If network orientated then look at Cisco CCNA kind of qualifications.

Harvez · 16-10-09, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ainsleee

Do you have a degree? If so in what? As Id like to work as a techie/network manager.

Dont worry beez, everyone is in the same boat at the moment, even if you did have 5 years experience it would still be hard getting a job.

I have a degree in bull$hit other than that I started my present job as a techy with just my A+ and IT essentials, though before that I had worked installing Cisco routers and IDB backup solutions, all in house training so never got any quals...
Then was made redundant so put myself in college for 6mths to get the A+ and Cisco IT essentials certs so I could get a techy job.
Worked out well as I knew networking pc repairs wireless etc etc just didnt have the quals so most companys never gave me a 2nd look.

FurbtasticM · 16-10-09, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Harvez

I have a degree in bull$hit

1st class, with honours

It's a horrible catch 22 to be in though Beezer. Need the experience to get a jop, can't get a job to give you the experience. Hope something turns up.

TheDetox · 16-10-09, 09:43 AM

same here when i first looking for a job, everyone wants experience, but u cant get that without working, muppets!.

So i just offered to work for free just to get experience, they offered me 3 month trial with a lowish pay then after 3 months the took me on full time as a I.T techie.

So i reckon you should offer to work for free or for very low pay just to get ya foot in mate.

Amiethest · 16-10-09, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beezer123

I've been trying to find a job in computer/web design related fields lately but every single advert that I have looked at are looking for people who have had say five years experience.

My angry point is that how are people meant to get experience if they don't get the chance in the first place?

What happened to good old fashioned training of a new employee?

Are companies just expecting someone who can do the job and do the job from the beginning?

Couldn't have put it better myself. My other half is having much the same issue, and he's a genious! Tha's what's so annoying! He's sooo clever and he's stuck in an IT call centre job when he could be coding.

MegamanEXE · 16-10-09, 12:14 PM

Straight answer to the title=Yes.

Harvez · 16-10-09, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MegamanEXE

Straight answer to the title=Yes.

says the lad whos still at school.

grabrail · 16-10-09, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amiethest

Couldn't have put it better myself. My other half is having much the same issue, and he's a genious! Tha's what's so annoying! He's sooo clever and he's stuck in an IT call centre job when he could be coding.

Who does he work for?

MegamanEXE · 17-10-09, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harvez

says the lad whos still at school.

Why, yes. Yes, I am. It's a little something called "C-o-m-m-o-n S-e-n-s-e".

Amiethest · 17-10-09, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grabrail

Who does he work for?

Well he's employed by a private company (can't remeber name) and they do the IT support for PC world, currys, comet etc I believe.

the joker · 17-10-09, 02:41 PM

i agree with the idea of a volontary work ... my cousin ,an architect, worked for 2 months in a company with a very low salary ... then they have employed him ...

and as for you i think they will employ you (you have proven you skills on eXceem)

(PS: if you want to get more friendly with the employer tell him about FJ :P)

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omairt 1 new message Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Omicron Persei 8 Posts: 2,518	You might have trouble finding a job at the moment. With pretty much all companies strapped for cash, they don't want to be spending more money and time on training when they can get someone who knows the ins and outs of the industry. I feel your pain though. I can't get a job despite having given my CV to over a hundred different places. Btw, this for sh!tty shelf stacking jobs as well, nothing too high up... Last edited by omairt; 15-10-09 at 07:46 PM..

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MJ10 Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Thatcham, Reading Posts: 14,584	Totally aggree beezer... I've had this before. It's so hard and makes no sense! I've managed to get past this by "knowing" people and getting odd jobs related to the line of work, even if it's a couple of weeks or months. I think the simple answer is YES they expect too much, especially in the current economic climate. It does seem pretty ridiculous. Still, either you've got to obey them or blow their mind with your interview skills. (I would try and bypass applications and go straight to the phone or email from my experience. I was offered a job at Rolls Royce due to me emailing them direct, whereas I was rejected from almost everywhere when just doing forms!) __________________ 2011 Winner of Best Site Award and Grammanazi Award. Runner up for Member of the Year 2011 Spoiler Received from FreebieJeebies: £1,854.03 Amazon Vouchers (£275) \| Wii Black & Game (£200) \| Textbooks (£40) \| Samsung T220HD (£200) \| WiFi Printer (£38) Samsung R580 (£689) \| Belkin Case (£15) \| Catlike Whisper Plus (£102) \| JVC Hi-Fi (144) \| Kenwood Microwave (£62) 2xHDMI (£5.03) \| Omron Scales (£30) \| 2xBluRay (£10) \| Kitchen Crockery (£44) Received from KUDOS: £1,920.50 Philips Hi-Fi (£138) \| iPhone 4 Case (£4) \| SEO Book (£13) \| Russell Hobbs Kettle (£40) \| 3D HDMI Cable (£11.99) Samsung UE40D6530 3DHDTV - BD-D6500 3D BluRay Player - Skype Camera - 2x3D Glasses and BluRay Film (£946) Wireless Headphones (£55) \| 1TB HDD (£55) \| IceAge DVD Box Set (£10) \| BluRay Blank Disk Package (£26.48) Harry Potter 1-8 BluRay (£32.30) \| Nike+ Running Package (£35) \| HDMI Cable (£5) \| Extension Lead (£18) Russel Hobbs Iron (£20) \| Brabantia Ironing Board (£55) \| Just Dance 3 (£23) \| TV Aerial Cable (£2) Samsung UE32D5520 HDTV (£380) \| Amazon Voucher (£51) Received from Xpango: £180.94 Affiliate Bank Transfer (£32.20) \| Affiliate Bank Transfer (£49.74) \| Apple TV (£99) Received from Affiliates: £263.20 Amazon Affiliate - Voucher (£263.20) ^^ See what I have received and how I'm doing ^^ Free iPhone \| Free iPhone \| Free iPhone 4S \| Sign Define App \| Freebie Proof Photo Blog Total Received: £4,218.94 plus Current Stats: 117 green 21 pending Spoiler Free Games Consoles \| Gaming Deals \| Sony Vita

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Harvez Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: l33dz Posts: 9,421	there will be some jobs about that are asking for less qualified people, my job was just a technician but within 3mths i had redesigned the whole school network and dragged them kicking and screaming to use emails. within 6mths I was the network manager, started on £13,500 5 years later almost 30k just need to get your foot in the door then prove your worth. __________________ Freebiejeebies \| Free iphone \| Free Blackberry \| Free Wii U \| Free laptop ^^^^ its not real stop begging losers ^^^^ Someone once said "Life is what you make it", I disagree sometimes life makes you into what you are. Last edited by Harvez; 15-10-09 at 08:15 PM..

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Chief iPod Nano 2GB Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 101	u could do some voluntary work for them for while, then if they think your good u mite get the job. If not u can add it to ur cv as experience.

15-10-09, 08:44 PM	#8
beezer123 Mini Mac Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 4,038	cheers for the advice people. It's just such an annoying being unable to even apply for a job as you don't have the experience that is required for it. I wish places would let you prove your worth to them before even writing off that chance in the first place. __________________ My Sites Free Nintendo DSi Free Macbook Pro Free Galaxy Nexus Free iPhone 4S Free iPad 2 open spoiler to see what im doing Spoiler currently working on: Verifying: Ordered: Received: Macbook 13 inch from Apple incentives £570 Amazon Voucher instead of second MacBook from Apple.real incentices Netgear DG834N Router from Apple.freebiejeebies £26 Rollersnakes voucher from Apple.freebiejeebies iPod Touch 8Gb from Apple.Freebiejeebies iPod Nano 8gb from Apple.Freebiejeebies £150 Amazon Voucher from gifts.real-incentives £180 amazon voucher from Nextgen.giveaway. 2 x Apple iPhone from Apple incentives COD World at war from Apple Incentives Silver Apple iPod Nano 4gb from Apple incentives Nintendo Ds lite White from forfree4u Noise Magnets x2 forfree4u

16-10-09, 06:26 AM	#10
grabrail iBook Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 2,325	part of the problem is, when a company is advertising for a role, they want it filled for a specific reason by a specific type of person. If they employ someone with no training or experience in the field then they need to go to great expense to get you up to a level that is required to fill the role in the first place. Also "computer/web design" is quite general. Is it specific design type jobs you want to go for or computer support type role, either way I would look at self study and certification so when you go to these interviews you have something to show them. Also If something like web design you need to build a portfolio of work you hae done. This can be sites you have put together for yourself and friends and family, but they need to be good to impress them. After all they can employ someone straight into the role that can just sit down and go. It is down to you to convince them you are worth investing in. Ainslee: if you want to be a techie I would like at getting yourself MCSE qualified or similar depending on what area you are thinking of entering. If network orientated then look at Cisco CCNA kind of qualifications.

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TheDetox Is the DETOX coming back? Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 6,063	same here when i first looking for a job, everyone wants experience, but u cant get that without working, muppets!. So i just offered to work for free just to get experience, they offered me 3 month trial with a lowish pay then after 3 months the took me on full time as a I.T techie. So i reckon you should offer to work for free or for very low pay just to get ya foot in mate. __________________ Updated: Total received £50,000 RETIRED?? MAYBE NOT!!

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MegamanEXE iPod 20gb Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pakistan Posts: 841	Straight answer to the title=Yes.

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the joker iBook Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Location : Location Posts: 2,491	i agree with the idea of a volontary work ... my cousin ,an architect, worked for 2 months in a company with a very low salary ... then they have employed him ... and as for you i think they will employ you (you have proven you skills on eXceem) (PS: if you want to get more friendly with the employer tell him about FJ :P)