Do Aliens/UFO's exist?

tronsmith · 30-08-09, 11:46 PM

This is a good video which states some good cases and has lots of whitness testimonial from...

Too much to explain, here's the video:

Ufo.The.Greatest.Story.Ever.Denied.-.XviD-Mp3.avi

Amiethest · 30-08-09, 11:48 PM

It would be a very self important and silly person who thinks that there isn't another form of life somewhere.

Tippy · 31-08-09, 11:34 AM

This guy lives next door to me

Tippy

**rider900** · 31-08-09, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amiethest

It would be a very self important and silly person who thinks that there isn't another form of life somewhere.

Exactly my thoughts, the Universe is too big.

Lol @Tippy

LiamGTR · 31-08-09, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amiethest

It would be a very self important and silly person who thinks that there isn't another form of life somewhere.

Talk about judging people...

Have you ever seen another form of life somewhere before? No? Thought not.

Please keep such judgemental comments to yourself until you can prove to me and all other non-believers of "aliens" (lmao) wrong, and please don't point me in the direction of that video posted above aswell, that proves nothing as it is all conspiracy and theory's.

JibbeSander · 31-08-09, 01:31 PM

i believe it exists UFO`s!

tronsmith · 02-09-09, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamGTR

Talk about judging people...

Have you ever seen another form of life somewhere before? No? Thought not.

Please keep such judgemental comments to yourself until you can prove to me and all other non-believers of "aliens" (lmao) wrong, and please don't point me in the direction of that video posted above aswell, that proves nothing as it is all conspiracy and theory's.

It's not up to use to prove to you. Find your own truth.

As far as I am concerned if the following people say that we (the governments of the world) know about Aliens and have been in contact with them, then I am going to side with them over you and your "prove it" comment!

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell - 6th man on the moon
* Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official
* Astronaut Gordon Cooper (deceased)
* Monsignor Corrado Balducci (deceased)
* Dr. Carol Rosin
* Dan Willis: US Navy, Communications
* Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense (deceased)
* Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service official
* Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer
* Dr. Alfred Webre: Former Senior Policy Analyst, Stanford Research Institute
* Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee
* Colonel Philip J. Corso: US Army (deceased)
* Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)
* Lieutenant Walter Haut: US Navy
* Dr. Hal Puthoff
* Dr. Eugene Mallove
* Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E. Bearden: US Army (ret.)
* John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations
* Larry Warren: Security Officer, RAF Bentwaters Woodbridge, NATO
* Major George A. Filer III: US Air Force (ret.)
* John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)
* Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller
* Don Phillips: US Air Force, Lockheed Skunkworks, design engineer/CIA contractor, worked with Kelly Johnson
* Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.) Office of Special Investigations, Project Grudge
* Mark McCandlish: US Air Force, conceptual artist for Rockwell X-30 and HYSTP programs
* James Kopf: US Navy/NSA Crypto Communications
* Major General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force

Why is the concept of other life laughable (I quote "(LMAO)") is it because the media don't portray the issue in serious light making fun of it and making it seem ridiculous? Think about why that's happening and you may realise why you are in that frame of mind.

Major George A. Filer III: US Air Force in an interview said

"I was mentally fit to carry nuclear weapons, but I’m not mentally fit if I see a UFO. This criticism and this ridicule have done more to keep the story [from] coming out than almost anything else."

I ask you again. Why is it so laughable that there could be other life in the universe?

MegamanEXE · 03-09-09, 08:38 AM

Heck no! It's just some guy who made up some fictional characters, I don't know about the UFOs but but there are huge possibilities of aliens existing but in another galaxy, I don't think one would ever come to earth and it's design would be different. Could be microscopic.

Just because we have eyes, ears and mouths doesn't mean unknown creatures do. But I still don't believe in Aliens.

tronsmith · 03-09-09, 10:27 AM

"Heck no! It's just some guy who made up some fictional characters,"

I don't know what you mean by that. Those people I mentioned are real people who have come forward and shared what they know, do a youtube search for "disclose project" (I can't link as I am at work).

"I don't know about the UFOs but but there are huge possibilities of aliens existing but in another galaxy"

and then...

"But I still don't believe in Aliens."

Which one do you beleive?

"I don't think one would ever come to earth"

I think that this is the first place they would come. We have a huge amount of natural resources, we have WATER(!), an abundance of natural fauna and flora, many different species of animals.

The latter mean that there is a huge amount of DNA which they can maniuplate for their own means (read up about cattle mutillations)

Finally there are humans. Intelligent beings who have ventured into their space, we are looking to (probably already have) weaponised space and this would surely be a concern.

Fifty percent of monitoring satellites are facing away from earth... What are they trying to detect?

tomeglenn · 03-09-09, 04:46 PM

I am personally of the belief that, due to the epic size of the Universe, surely Earth cannot be the only planet to contain life.

I do believe aliens have visited Earth (and subsequently been covered up by the governments), but I do not believe most of these "sighting" videos that you see on YouTube or the TV.

MegamanEXE · 03-09-09, 04:58 PM

Well, just because we need water doesn't mean alien organisms do. They must other thing rather than aerobic, anaerobic respiration, digesttion etc.

Maxx · 03-09-09, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by joewarne

I dont believe so, i think science has proven that earth is the only habitable planet for water and therefore life.

Its hard to say about other universes out of our own (because there is no proof there is any other ones), but i dont believe there is life outside earth in this universe.

Science has proven that for our Solar System, but look up in the sky...the Sun is one star and there are BILLIONS in the galaxy.

I'm sure there is life elsewhere in the universe, but whether or not it ever meets with us is another matter.

Maxx · 03-09-09, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tronsmith

This is a good video which states some good cases and has lots of whitness testimonial from...

Too much to explain, here's the video:

Ufo.The.Greatest.Story.Ever.Denied.-.XviD-Mp3.avi

You can't believe everything you watch...a TV show based around UFOs being real is obviously going to contain all the likely-looking UFO material and information, likewise a TV programme disproving UFOs would contain proof about made-up sightings etc.

tronsmith · 03-09-09, 08:17 PM

Time for pilot sightings.

Remember Pilots are trained to know what to expect to encounter up in the skys.

A quote:

"Of these UFO reports,the radar/visual reports are the most convincing.
When a ground radar picks up a UFO target and a ground observer sees a light where the radar target is located,then a jet interceptor is scrambled to intercept the UFO and the pilot also sees the lights and gets a radar lock only to have the UFO almost impudently outdistance him,there is no simple answer."
Edward J Ruppelt USAF Capt 1956

Pilot Reports:

"This thing had to be going double-digit mach making turns that I didn't think were possible, breaking all the rules of physics,
The man that visited me later told me in no uncertain terms to keep quiet. He told me I would lose my pilot’s license and it would be the end of my flying days, so for 30 years I've said nothing"
Retired Air Force pilot Milton Torres discussing his F-86D Sabre fighter jet UFO incident in 1957 in which he was ordered to shoot down a UFO hovering over the British countryside.
Air Force Times Interview, Oct 22nd, 2008.

"An object 'like an oblong pearl' drew steadily closer until perhaps a mile away when, right under my gaze as it were, it suddenly vanished. . . .But it reappeared close to where it had vanished. . . .It drew closer. I could see the dull gleam of light on nose and back. It came on, but instead of increasing in size, it diminished as it approached! When quite near, it suddenly became its own ghost. For one second I could see clear through it and the next. . .it had vanished."
Sir Francis Chichester -June 10, 1931 ,Flying in the Gypsy Moth over the Tasman Sea.

"It is impossible for any man-made machine to make a sudden appearance in front of a jumbo jet that is flying 910 kilometers per hour and to remain in steady formation paralleling our aircraft. ... Honestly, we were simply breathtaken."
Japan Airlines pilot Kenju Terauchi in 1986

"Headquarters wouldn't let us go after it and we played around a little bit. We got to watching how it made 90 degree turns at this high speed and everything. We knew it wasn't a missile of any type, so then we confirmed it with the radar control station, and they kept following it, and then it crashed somewhere off between Texas and the Mexico border."
Colonel Robert Willingham, USAF from an Sworn Affidavit in the 1970's when discussing a sighting of a UFO whilst he was navigating an F94 jet on September 6th 1950.

"It appears to be a metallic object...tremendous in size, directly ahead and slightly above.I am trying to close for a better look."
Captain Thomas Mantell, USAF,1948. Last words.

"From their maneuvers and their terrific speed I am certain their flight performance was greater than any aircraft known today".
Colonel Carl Sanderson
USAF, commenting on his sighting of two circular silver UFOs in close proximity to his plane over Hermanas, New Mexico. The UFOs were said to make a series of seemingly impossible maneuvers before disappearing at an astonishing speed and showing up again over El Paso, Texas.

"We had many adventures flying under primitive conditions in the frozen north, but none compared with this." "I looked back and saw something that didn't make sense," "It was nothing like flying machines of that period," "It was hexagonal, flat, and seemingly made of aluminum or some other metal, with no breaks in the surface and no rivets." "At the time, I had a spooky feeling. I can't explain it. It was as if I 'felt' the presence of whoever was inside that craft--and the feeling was hostile."
Lieutenant Colonel Peter Grunnet-Royal Danish Air force, describing incident in H. E. 8 seaplane over Greenland,1932.

"I don't know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren't called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of '68. And this resulted in quite a little battle. And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved but we always reacted. Always after dark. The same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69."
USAF Chief of Staff General George S. Brown
DoD Transcript of Press Conference in Illinois (10/16/1973).

"Based on my experience in fighter tactics, it is my opinion that the object was controlled by something having visual contact with us. The power and acceleration were beyond the capability of any known U.S. aircraft".
F-94 pilot, after encountering a UFO, 1952.

"As we approached this glow it turned to a monstrous circle of white lights on the water. Then we saw a yellow halo, small, much smaller than whatever it was launched from, about 15 miles away. As the UFO approached my plane and flew alongside it, we could see the domed craft which had a corona discharge."
Commander Graham Bethune, U.S. Navy -sighting from military flying from Iceland to Newfoundland,February 10, 1951.

"Pilot of helicopters wished to stress fact that object was of a saucer like nature, was stationary at 2000 ft. And would be glad to be called upon to verify any statements and act as witness".
Emergency Report from Maxwell Air Force Base on air space violation by UFO, 1954.

"It was made and flown by intelligent beings."
Major Shiro Kubuta, of Japan's Air Self-Defence Force (I think). Kubuta and his pilot, Lt. Colonel Toshio Nakamura, were scrambled in an F-4EJ to intercept what they were told was a Soviet Bomber.Once Airborne they were informed that their target was actually a UFO which had been sighted by ground and was being tracked on radar.
When they closed upon the red, disk-like UFO, it began to manoeuvre around the plane, causing Nakamura to take evasive action.

"[Object] described as flat on top and bottom and appearing from a front view to have round edges and slightly beveled ... No vapor trails or exhaust or visible means of propulsion. Described as traveling at tremendous speed.... Pilot considered by associates to be highly reliable, of mature judgment and a creditable observer".
Air Force intelligence report, following UFO sighting by F-51 pilot, 1951

"There was something definite in the sky...If it had proved to be hostile we would have destroyed it."
Major Gerald Smith, USAF--One of the F-106 pilots scrambled under orders from NORAD (North American Air Defense Command) to investigate a UFO over West Palm Beach, Florida on September 14, 1972. The UFO was viewed through binoculars by the FAA supervisor, George Morales, sighted by an Eastern Airlines captain, police and several civilians, as well.

tronsmith · 03-09-09, 08:18 PM

"Suddenly, the lights went out. There appeared a yellow halo on the water. It turned to an orange, to a fiery red, and then started movement toward us at a fantastic speed, turning to a bluish red around the perimeter. Due to its high speed, its direction of travel, and its size, it looked as though we were going to be engulfed.
It stopped its movement toward us and began moving along with us about 45 degrees off the bow to the right, about 100 feet or so below us and about 200 to 300 feet in front of us. It was not in a level position; it was tilted about 25 degrees.
It stayed in this position for a minute or so. It appeared to be from 200 to 300 feet in diameter, translucent or metallic, shaped like a saucer, a purple-red fiery ring around the perimeter and a frosted white glow around the entire object. The purple-red glow around the perimeter was the same type of glow you get around the commutator of an auto generator when you observe it at night.
Captain of Navy R5D aircraft,February 8,1951.
Captain,crew members and passengers on a Navy R5D aircraft witness UFO whilst flying over the North Atlantic ocean,February 8, 1951.

"I was the pilot of the plane when we saw the UFO. Also on board were Governor Reagan and a couple of his security people. We were flying a Cessna Citation. It was maybe 9 or 10 o'clock at night. We were near Bakersfield, California when Governor Reagan and the others called my attention to a big light flying a bit behind my plane. It appeared to be several hundred yards away. It was a fairly steady light until it began to accelerate, then it appeared to elongate. Then the light took off. It went up at a 45-degree angle-at a high rate of speed. Everyone on the plane was surprised. Governor Reagan expressed amazement. I told the others I didn't know what it was...The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed instantly...If you give an airplane power it will accelerate-but not like a hot rod, and that's what this was like"
Bull Paynter, a pilot with thousands of logged hours, in Sacremento California

"I saw three bright glowing objects flying in a triangular formation. Our mission aircraft at the time was doing approximately four hundred fifty or five hundred knots, and these appeared to be closing extremely rapidly on a parallel course to the aircraft.
They appeared as round, glowing red fireballs. The nearest thing I can describe to it is an old fashioned cook stove lid that's been overheated and is just glowing red, or like something you'd see on an anvil in a blacksmith's shop, the glowing red of metal.
The one thing that astounded me was the colossal speed. Even after compensating for our forward direction and they were moving in the opposite direction paralleling the aircraft, they would appear on the horizon and had swept across my complete range of vision from the front of the aircraft to the rear and going over the horizon towards the Arctic regions, it was just a matter of two or three seconds.
And just as I was sitting there open-mouthed astonished watching this phenomenon flash by, there on the horizon appeared three more identical objects, and I watched no less than five or six groups of these things appear suddenly on the horizon at great speed, pass the aircraft and disappear in the Arctic regions to the rear of the aircraft.
It was just incredible. I have never seen anything move like that in my life".
George Lynn Guthrie -Master Sergeant/Crew chief of Airbourne Intelligence Crew/Russian Voice Intercept Processing Supervisor for the Air Force Security Service Command -
Witnessed UFOs flying a mission over the Baltic Sea,November 1970

"With the aircraft under my control, I observed the red-lighted object closing upon the helicopter at the same altitude at a high rate of speed. It became apparent a mid-air collision was about to happen unless evasive action was taken."
"I looked out ahead of the helicopter and observed an aircraft I have never seen before. This craft positioned itself directly in front of the moving helicopter.
This craft was 50 to 60 feet long with a grey metallic structure. On the front of this craft was a large steady bright red light. I could delineate where the red stopped on the structure of this craft because red was reflecting off the grey structure. The design of this craft was symmetrical in shape with a prominent aft indentation on the undercarriage. From this portion of the undercarriage, a green light, pyramid-shaped, emerged with the light initially in the trail position.
This green light then swung 90 degrees, coming directly into the front windshield and lighting up the entire cockpit of the aircraft. All colors inside the cabin of the helicopter were absorbed by this green light. That includes the instrument panel lights on the aircraft."
"As a result of my experience, I am convinced this object was real and that these types of incidents should require a thorough investigation. It is my own personal opinion that worldwide procedures need to be established to effectively study this phenomena through an international cooperative effort. The establishment of a Transponder Code for aircraft flying worldwide is needed, to identify to ground controllers that a pilot is indeed experiencing a UFO phenomena and that pilot anxiety can be reduced to provide safe effective flying, knowing he is under radar control."
Lieutenant Colonel Lawrence J. Coyne describing UFO encounter he witnessed with three other airmen over Mansfield Ohio,October 18, 1973.
Quote taken from United Nations UFO hearing in 1978.

"There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept."
US Navy Pilot, Lieutenant Frederick Fox- Disclosure, pp. 145, 146

Former Air Force Commander Discusses UFOs:

Hernan Gabrielli (General-Ret.): We were two F-5s, dual training
craft, and we were returning to base after completing our mission, Cerro Moreno, noon. From Mejillones to Antofagasta, at an altitude of some 35,000 feet - 40,000 feet. I suddenly detected a radar fault and saw a line that ran side to side on the scope, and my student, Danilo Catalán, also detected the same, and curiously enough it was the ground radar, which has a large screen, that also indicated a radar fault. At that time we looked toward [the part of the sky indicated on the radar screen] and we saw that UFO.

Alejandro Guillier: What was it exactly? What was it you managed to see? Can it be described?

Hernan Gabrielli: It was visualized as a smoke-covered, half-deformed banana, very large, in other words, very large in plain sight. We were between 15 or 20 miles away. It was tremendously large and surrounded by a fumarole which moved in our very same direction and at the same speed as our aircraft.

Alejandro Guiller: ...and you felt tempted to check it out.

Hernan Gabrielli: We approached it carefully and...but those were good instructions. We were heading back from Attack 1, which is a combat tactic involving gun cameras, no cannon, missiles or anything else. So we approached it with caution. Unfortunately the UFO did not go away toward a single minute, so we arrived in an instant.

Alejandro Guillier: But I understand that you had to ascend.

Hernan Gabrielli: No...

Alejandro Guillier: In order to approach, what was your position? Going upward..

Hernan Gabrielli: No...we shared the same altitude, between 30,000 and 35,000 feet.

Alejandro Gabrielli: But F-5s are swift airplanes. When you got near it scurried way so...

Hernan Gabrielli: Of course. It’s a fighter that covers 10 nautical miles a minute, in other words, 20 kilometers a minute. That is the normal speed for that aircraft.

Alejandro Guillier: And this object you saw, how soon did it vanish? At what speed?

Hernan Gabrielli: Unimaginable, in other words, thousands of nautical miles a minute, because it vanished toward the west suddenly and the screen cleared up. In other words, all three radar screens--the ground radar, mine and Danilo’s -- were operating normally; it wasn’t just a visual experience but a physical one as well, a material one, that materialized on the screen. Now, if you ask me what it is, where it comes from, don’t ask me. I haven’t the slightest idea.

Links:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pilotsightings.pdf

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Catalogue of Australian observations of UFOS from Aircraft crew members and passengers:

PROJECT 1947: Keith Basterfield - A CATALOGUE OF AUSTRALIAN OBSERVATIONS OF UFOS

Aircraft /UFO Encounters prior to 1942:
PROJECT 1947 - Jan Aldrich - Pre-1942 A/C UFO Encounters

tronsmith · 03-09-09, 08:21 PM

Pilot transcript of flight N3808H, Puerto Rico, 1980-
Last words of Jose Antonio Maldonado Torres:

Location. Mona Channel, Caribbean Ocean near Puerto Rico
Date: June 28 1980
Time: 2003
At 1810 Jose Antonio Maldonado Torres and his friend, Jose Pagan Santos, took off from Las Americas International Airport in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic in an Ercoupe aircraft marked N3808H.
The Ercoupe was owned by Santo’s father Jose Pagan Jimenez, an Aero
Police officer in Puerto Rico. They were bound for home in Puerto Rico.

At 2003 the Las Mesas radar site and several aircraft picked up radio transmissions from N3808H:

“Mayday, Mayday, Ercoupe ocho cero, eight zero, zero, Hotel. We can see a strange object in our course, we are lost, Mayday, Mayday.”

An Iberia Airlines flight IB-976 en route from Santo Domingo to Spain responded to the Mayday and received a reply:

“Ah we are going from Santo Domingo to ah San Juan International but we found ah a weird object in our course that made us change course about three different times we got it right in front of us now at one o’clock, our heading is zero seven zero degrees…our altitude one thousand six hundred a zero seven zero degrees…our VORs got lost off frequency…”

Iberia Flight IB-976 then relayed a message from San Juan Center asking N3808H to turn on their transponder.
N3808H replied that the Ercoupe was not equipped with a transponder. At 2006 Iberia IB-976 asked for their call sing and estimated position and received this reply:

“Right now we are supposed to be a about thirty five miles from the coast of Puerto Rico but we have something weird in front of us that make us lose course all the time I changed our course a second (unintelligible) our present heading right now is three hundred we are right again in the same stuff sir.”

They were not heard from again. At 2012 the Atlantic Fleet Weapons Range verified the last radar position of N3808H as thirty five miles west of Puerto Rico. A search that included Santos’s father was then mounted which centered on this last radar position. It was discontinued after two days when no trace had been found. No trace was ever found.

TheDoctor · 03-09-09, 11:53 PM

i believe in aliens

corky20 · 04-09-09, 12:15 AM

I believe there is some other life out there, not sure about the whole area 51 conspiracy but you have to think they are hiding something from us, would love to know what!

MegamanEXE · 04-09-09, 10:33 AM

Long posts tronsmith. UFOs are only in TV shows, if there are aliens and they want to come to earth, they might have other ways, Just because we would need a rocket or something like that, doesn't mean aliens do. Maybe they can appear out of nowhere. Or use instant transmission like goku (Dragon ball Z) or travel faster than the speed of light or they may be riding asteroids.

Main thing, Aliens may exist but UFOs do not.

tronsmith · 04-09-09, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MegamanEXE

Long posts tronsmith. UFOs are only in TV shows, if there are aliens and they want to come to earth, they might have other ways, Just because we would need a rocket or something like that, doesn't mean aliens do. Maybe they can appear out of nowhere. Or use instant transmission like goku (Dragon ball Z) or travel faster than the speed of light or they may be riding asteroids.

Main thing, Aliens may exist but UFOs do not.

Interesting theory. and I to wouldn't be supprised if they could manipulate time/space to go as/where they need, however, a vessel would be more useful as you could take supplies, but I am just saying this from a terrestrial standpoint

I would say though that there are UFOs in that there are flying objects which we can't identify (not neccassarily alien).

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tronsmith iPod 60gb Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,663	"Heck no! It's just some guy who made up some fictional characters," I don't know what you mean by that. Those people I mentioned are real people who have come forward and shared what they know, do a youtube search for "disclose project" (I can't link as I am at work). "I don't know about the UFOs but but there are huge possibilities of aliens existing but in another galaxy" and then... "But I still don't believe in Aliens." Which one do you beleive? "I don't think one would ever come to earth" I think that this is the first place they would come. We have a huge amount of natural resources, we have WATER(!), an abundance of natural fauna and flora, many different species of animals. The latter mean that there is a huge amount of DNA which they can maniuplate for their own means (read up about cattle mutillations) Finally there are humans. Intelligent beings who have ventured into their space, we are looking to (probably already have) weaponised space and this would surely be a concern. Fifty percent of monitoring satellites are facing away from earth... What are they trying to detect?

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tronsmith iPod 60gb Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,663	Time for pilot sightings. Remember Pilots are trained to know what to expect to encounter up in the skys. A quote: "Of these UFO reports,the radar/visual reports are the most convincing. When a ground radar picks up a UFO target and a ground observer sees a light where the radar target is located,then a jet interceptor is scrambled to intercept the UFO and the pilot also sees the lights and gets a radar lock only to have the UFO almost impudently outdistance him,there is no simple answer." Edward J Ruppelt USAF Capt 1956 Pilot Reports: "This thing had to be going double-digit mach making turns that I didn't think were possible, breaking all the rules of physics, The man that visited me later told me in no uncertain terms to keep quiet. He told me I would lose my pilot’s license and it would be the end of my flying days, so for 30 years I've said nothing" Retired Air Force pilot Milton Torres discussing his F-86D Sabre fighter jet UFO incident in 1957 in which he was ordered to shoot down a UFO hovering over the British countryside. Air Force Times Interview, Oct 22nd, 2008. "An object 'like an oblong pearl' drew steadily closer until perhaps a mile away when, right under my gaze as it were, it suddenly vanished. . . .But it reappeared close to where it had vanished. . . .It drew closer. I could see the dull gleam of light on nose and back. It came on, but instead of increasing in size, it diminished as it approached! When quite near, it suddenly became its own ghost. For one second I could see clear through it and the next. . .it had vanished." Sir Francis Chichester -June 10, 1931 ,Flying in the Gypsy Moth over the Tasman Sea. "It is impossible for any man-made machine to make a sudden appearance in front of a jumbo jet that is flying 910 kilometers per hour and to remain in steady formation paralleling our aircraft. ... Honestly, we were simply breathtaken." Japan Airlines pilot Kenju Terauchi in 1986 "Headquarters wouldn't let us go after it and we played around a little bit. We got to watching how it made 90 degree turns at this high speed and everything. We knew it wasn't a missile of any type, so then we confirmed it with the radar control station, and they kept following it, and then it crashed somewhere off between Texas and the Mexico border." Colonel Robert Willingham, USAF from an Sworn Affidavit in the 1970's when discussing a sighting of a UFO whilst he was navigating an F94 jet on September 6th 1950. "It appears to be a metallic object...tremendous in size, directly ahead and slightly above.I am trying to close for a better look." Captain Thomas Mantell, USAF,1948. Last words. "From their maneuvers and their terrific speed I am certain their flight performance was greater than any aircraft known today". Colonel Carl Sanderson USAF, commenting on his sighting of two circular silver UFOs in close proximity to his plane over Hermanas, New Mexico. The UFOs were said to make a series of seemingly impossible maneuvers before disappearing at an astonishing speed and showing up again over El Paso, Texas. "We had many adventures flying under primitive conditions in the frozen north, but none compared with this." "I looked back and saw something that didn't make sense," "It was nothing like flying machines of that period," "It was hexagonal, flat, and seemingly made of aluminum or some other metal, with no breaks in the surface and no rivets." "At the time, I had a spooky feeling. I can't explain it. It was as if I 'felt' the presence of whoever was inside that craft--and the feeling was hostile." Lieutenant Colonel Peter Grunnet-Royal Danish Air force, describing incident in H. E. 8 seaplane over Greenland,1932. "I don't know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren't called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of '68. And this resulted in quite a little battle. And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved but we always reacted. Always after dark. The same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69." USAF Chief of Staff General George S. Brown DoD Transcript of Press Conference in Illinois (10/16/1973). "Based on my experience in fighter tactics, it is my opinion that the object was controlled by something having visual contact with us. The power and acceleration were beyond the capability of any known U.S. aircraft". F-94 pilot, after encountering a UFO, 1952. "As we approached this glow it turned to a monstrous circle of white lights on the water. Then we saw a yellow halo, small, much smaller than whatever it was launched from, about 15 miles away. As the UFO approached my plane and flew alongside it, we could see the domed craft which had a corona discharge." Commander Graham Bethune, U.S. Navy -sighting from military flying from Iceland to Newfoundland,February 10, 1951. "Pilot of helicopters wished to stress fact that object was of a saucer like nature, was stationary at 2000 ft. And would be glad to be called upon to verify any statements and act as witness". Emergency Report from Maxwell Air Force Base on air space violation by UFO, 1954. "It was made and flown by intelligent beings." Major Shiro Kubuta, of Japan's Air Self-Defence Force (I think). Kubuta and his pilot, Lt. Colonel Toshio Nakamura, were scrambled in an F-4EJ to intercept what they were told was a Soviet Bomber.Once Airborne they were informed that their target was actually a UFO which had been sighted by ground and was being tracked on radar. When they closed upon the red, disk-like UFO, it began to manoeuvre around the plane, causing Nakamura to take evasive action. "[Object] described as flat on top and bottom and appearing from a front view to have round edges and slightly beveled ... No vapor trails or exhaust or visible means of propulsion. Described as traveling at tremendous speed.... Pilot considered by associates to be highly reliable, of mature judgment and a creditable observer". Air Force intelligence report, following UFO sighting by F-51 pilot, 1951 "There was something definite in the sky...If it had proved to be hostile we would have destroyed it." Major Gerald Smith, USAF--One of the F-106 pilots scrambled under orders from NORAD (North American Air Defense Command) to investigate a UFO over West Palm Beach, Florida on September 14, 1972. The UFO was viewed through binoculars by the FAA supervisor, George Morales, sighted by an Eastern Airlines captain, police and several civilians, as well.

03-09-09, 08:18 PM	#75
tronsmith iPod 60gb Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,663	"Suddenly, the lights went out. There appeared a yellow halo on the water. It turned to an orange, to a fiery red, and then started movement toward us at a fantastic speed, turning to a bluish red around the perimeter. Due to its high speed, its direction of travel, and its size, it looked as though we were going to be engulfed. It stopped its movement toward us and began moving along with us about 45 degrees off the bow to the right, about 100 feet or so below us and about 200 to 300 feet in front of us. It was not in a level position; it was tilted about 25 degrees. It stayed in this position for a minute or so. It appeared to be from 200 to 300 feet in diameter, translucent or metallic, shaped like a saucer, a purple-red fiery ring around the perimeter and a frosted white glow around the entire object. The purple-red glow around the perimeter was the same type of glow you get around the commutator of an auto generator when you observe it at night. Captain of Navy R5D aircraft,February 8,1951. Captain,crew members and passengers on a Navy R5D aircraft witness UFO whilst flying over the North Atlantic ocean,February 8, 1951. "I was the pilot of the plane when we saw the UFO. Also on board were Governor Reagan and a couple of his security people. We were flying a Cessna Citation. It was maybe 9 or 10 o'clock at night. We were near Bakersfield, California when Governor Reagan and the others called my attention to a big light flying a bit behind my plane. It appeared to be several hundred yards away. It was a fairly steady light until it began to accelerate, then it appeared to elongate. Then the light took off. It went up at a 45-degree angle-at a high rate of speed. Everyone on the plane was surprised. Governor Reagan expressed amazement. I told the others I didn't know what it was...The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed instantly...If you give an airplane power it will accelerate-but not like a hot rod, and that's what this was like" Bull Paynter, a pilot with thousands of logged hours, in Sacremento California "I saw three bright glowing objects flying in a triangular formation. Our mission aircraft at the time was doing approximately four hundred fifty or five hundred knots, and these appeared to be closing extremely rapidly on a parallel course to the aircraft. They appeared as round, glowing red fireballs. The nearest thing I can describe to it is an old fashioned cook stove lid that's been overheated and is just glowing red, or like something you'd see on an anvil in a blacksmith's shop, the glowing red of metal. The one thing that astounded me was the colossal speed. Even after compensating for our forward direction and they were moving in the opposite direction paralleling the aircraft, they would appear on the horizon and had swept across my complete range of vision from the front of the aircraft to the rear and going over the horizon towards the Arctic regions, it was just a matter of two or three seconds. And just as I was sitting there open-mouthed astonished watching this phenomenon flash by, there on the horizon appeared three more identical objects, and I watched no less than five or six groups of these things appear suddenly on the horizon at great speed, pass the aircraft and disappear in the Arctic regions to the rear of the aircraft. It was just incredible. I have never seen anything move like that in my life". George Lynn Guthrie -Master Sergeant/Crew chief of Airbourne Intelligence Crew/Russian Voice Intercept Processing Supervisor for the Air Force Security Service Command - Witnessed UFOs flying a mission over the Baltic Sea,November 1970 "With the aircraft under my control, I observed the red-lighted object closing upon the helicopter at the same altitude at a high rate of speed. It became apparent a mid-air collision was about to happen unless evasive action was taken." "I looked out ahead of the helicopter and observed an aircraft I have never seen before. This craft positioned itself directly in front of the moving helicopter. This craft was 50 to 60 feet long with a grey metallic structure. On the front of this craft was a large steady bright red light. I could delineate where the red stopped on the structure of this craft because red was reflecting off the grey structure. The design of this craft was symmetrical in shape with a prominent aft indentation on the undercarriage. From this portion of the undercarriage, a green light, pyramid-shaped, emerged with the light initially in the trail position. This green light then swung 90 degrees, coming directly into the front windshield and lighting up the entire cockpit of the aircraft. All colors inside the cabin of the helicopter were absorbed by this green light. That includes the instrument panel lights on the aircraft." "As a result of my experience, I am convinced this object was real and that these types of incidents should require a thorough investigation. It is my own personal opinion that worldwide procedures need to be established to effectively study this phenomena through an international cooperative effort. The establishment of a Transponder Code for aircraft flying worldwide is needed, to identify to ground controllers that a pilot is indeed experiencing a UFO phenomena and that pilot anxiety can be reduced to provide safe effective flying, knowing he is under radar control." Lieutenant Colonel Lawrence J. Coyne describing UFO encounter he witnessed with three other airmen over Mansfield Ohio,October 18, 1973. Quote taken from United Nations UFO hearing in 1978. "There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept." US Navy Pilot, Lieutenant Frederick Fox- Disclosure, pp. 145, 146 Former Air Force Commander Discusses UFOs: Hernan Gabrielli (General-Ret.): We were two F-5s, dual training craft, and we were returning to base after completing our mission, Cerro Moreno, noon. From Mejillones to Antofagasta, at an altitude of some 35,000 feet - 40,000 feet. I suddenly detected a radar fault and saw a line that ran side to side on the scope, and my student, Danilo Catalán, also detected the same, and curiously enough it was the ground radar, which has a large screen, that also indicated a radar fault. At that time we looked toward [the part of the sky indicated on the radar screen] and we saw that UFO. Alejandro Guillier: What was it exactly? What was it you managed to see? Can it be described? Hernan Gabrielli: It was visualized as a smoke-covered, half-deformed banana, very large, in other words, very large in plain sight. We were between 15 or 20 miles away. It was tremendously large and surrounded by a fumarole which moved in our very same direction and at the same speed as our aircraft. Alejandro Guiller: ...and you felt tempted to check it out. Hernan Gabrielli: We approached it carefully and...but those were good instructions. We were heading back from Attack 1, which is a combat tactic involving gun cameras, no cannon, missiles or anything else. So we approached it with caution. Unfortunately the UFO did not go away toward a single minute, so we arrived in an instant. Alejandro Guillier: But I understand that you had to ascend. Hernan Gabrielli: No... Alejandro Guillier: In order to approach, what was your position? Going upward.. Hernan Gabrielli: No...we shared the same altitude, between 30,000 and 35,000 feet. Alejandro Gabrielli: But F-5s are swift airplanes. When you got near it scurried way so... Hernan Gabrielli: Of course. It’s a fighter that covers 10 nautical miles a minute, in other words, 20 kilometers a minute. That is the normal speed for that aircraft. Alejandro Guillier: And this object you saw, how soon did it vanish? At what speed? Hernan Gabrielli: Unimaginable, in other words, thousands of nautical miles a minute, because it vanished toward the west suddenly and the screen cleared up. In other words, all three radar screens--the ground radar, mine and Danilo’s -- were operating normally; it wasn’t just a visual experience but a physical one as well, a material one, that materialized on the screen. Now, if you ask me what it is, where it comes from, don’t ask me. I haven’t the slightest idea. Links: http://www.ufocasebook.com/pilotsightings.pdf ufoe33_34_35_36_37_38 Catalogue of Australian observations of UFOS from Aircraft crew members and passengers: PROJECT 1947: Keith Basterfield - A CATALOGUE OF AUSTRALIAN OBSERVATIONS OF UFOS Aircraft /UFO Encounters prior to 1942: PROJECT 1947 - Jan Aldrich - Pre-1942 A/C UFO Encounters

03-09-09, 08:21 PM	#76
tronsmith iPod 60gb Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,663	Pilot transcript of flight N3808H, Puerto Rico, 1980- Last words of Jose Antonio Maldonado Torres: Location. Mona Channel, Caribbean Ocean near Puerto Rico Date: June 28 1980 Time: 2003 At 1810 Jose Antonio Maldonado Torres and his friend, Jose Pagan Santos, took off from Las Americas International Airport in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic in an Ercoupe aircraft marked N3808H. The Ercoupe was owned by Santo’s father Jose Pagan Jimenez, an Aero Police officer in Puerto Rico. They were bound for home in Puerto Rico. At 2003 the Las Mesas radar site and several aircraft picked up radio transmissions from N3808H: “Mayday, Mayday, Ercoupe ocho cero, eight zero, zero, Hotel. We can see a strange object in our course, we are lost, Mayday, Mayday.” An Iberia Airlines flight IB-976 en route from Santo Domingo to Spain responded to the Mayday and received a reply: “Ah we are going from Santo Domingo to ah San Juan International but we found ah a weird object in our course that made us change course about three different times we got it right in front of us now at one o’clock, our heading is zero seven zero degrees…our altitude one thousand six hundred a zero seven zero degrees…our VORs got lost off frequency…” Iberia Flight IB-976 then relayed a message from San Juan Center asking N3808H to turn on their transponder. N3808H replied that the Ercoupe was not equipped with a transponder. At 2006 Iberia IB-976 asked for their call sing and estimated position and received this reply: “Right now we are supposed to be a about thirty five miles from the coast of Puerto Rico but we have something weird in front of us that make us lose course all the time I changed our course a second (unintelligible) our present heading right now is three hundred we are right again in the same stuff sir.” They were not heard from again. At 2012 the Atlantic Fleet Weapons Range verified the last radar position of N3808H as thirty five miles west of Puerto Rico. A search that included Santos’s father was then mounted which centered on this last radar position. It was discontinued after two days when no trace had been found. No trace was ever found.

04-09-09, 12:15 AM	#78
corky20 Free The Gadgets Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NI Posts: 4,776	I believe there is some other life out there, not sure about the whole area 51 conspiracy but you have to think they are hiding something from us, would love to know what!

04-09-09, 10:33 AM	#79
MegamanEXE iPod 20gb Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pakistan Posts: 841	Long posts tronsmith. UFOs are only in TV shows, if there are aliens and they want to come to earth, they might have other ways, Just because we would need a rocket or something like that, doesn't mean aliens do. Maybe they can appear out of nowhere. Or use instant transmission like goku (Dragon ball Z) or travel faster than the speed of light or they may be riding asteroids. Main thing, Aliens may exist but UFOs do not.