Do Aliens/UFO's exist?

barcelonic · 05-07-09, 04:32 PM

The question here is that if you believe UFOs are alien spacecraft, would you believe this once you learn that this is human technology?

Source: mnml.nl :: View topic - Secret Nazi Flying Disc Program

The above picture was found after WWII in Germany. It is believed to have been part of a German effort to develop disc-like craft powered by propulsion. You can find more information about this here... NAZI UFOs.. Do they exist? BUT...
For the full picture and discussion of all facts relating to this theory make sure to read this article... DISPOSITION OF GERMAN SAUCER TECHNOLOGY AFTER THE WAR

After the war it is known that the Americans took a lot of the German technology (some even argue that this was one of the reasons for them entering the war to begin with), and even recruited some of their scientists in exchange for saving them from having to stand trial at Nuremburg - for example, some scientists who were working on the technology which led to space suits avoided charges of putting innocent people into pressure chambers to study the effects.

By the fifties one of the main operations of the CIA was to use the media to instill thoughts and beliefs into American minds. It has been documented that at this time a lot of money was spent on such efforts. One article in True Magazine in January 1950 is said to have kicked off the myth of UFOs being alien spacecraft - ufo - UFOS at close sight: 1950 article of TRUE Magazine, Navy officer speaks

You see, the US military had taken the technology from the Germans and were secretly developing it further. When people began to suggest these sightings were extraterrestrial in nature, the CIA began to encourage this myth because if the public believed the myth then the US military would be free to test their craft without raising suspicion.

The myth grew and grew to a level the CIA I'm sure could have only dreamed of. The ambiguity and contradictory nature of statements and "evidence" surrounding the Roswell incident only helped to further encourage the believers of extraterrestrial visitations. Today, the myth is a worldwide one, which is why sightings are seen all over the globe - these craft can be tested and flown over the heartlands of America's enemies (Russia, N Korea, Iran) and they face no reprisals as when they are sighted they are recorded as UFOs - Unidentified Flying Objects.

So to conclude, I do believe that we are not alone in the universe but I cannot believe for a second that we are visited regularly by alien spacecraft, especially when their craft looks, sounds and acts so conveniently like technology which exists within the human domain of creation.

I will leave you with the evidence that this technology is not supernatural to Earth, and if one man in his basement can create a basic flying saucer, can you imagine what the Germans (who were at the forefront of science and technology) and now for the last 60 years, the Americans, are able to achieve.

joewarne · 05-07-09, 04:38 PM

Of coarse the Germans were after El Dorado and the Ark of the Covenant aswell.

Sachmo_51_6 · 05-07-09, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by joewarne

Of coarse the Germans were after El Dorado and the Ark of the Covenant aswell.

Yeah, but Indiana Jones stopped them that time!

barcelonic · 06-07-09, 03:14 PM

I must have missed the boat on this one, cus I was expecting at least one reply or acknowledgement of my post in the "debating" forum.

Larkino · 06-07-09, 03:15 PM

It was too long.

barcelonic · 06-07-09, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Larkino

It was too long.

Ye but its a debating forum, lol

If we're all afraid by long passages (books, newspapers) then how can any of us expect to have any meaningful opinions on anything.

Edit: this one short enough 4 ya Milo?

Sachmo_51_6 · 06-07-09, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by barcelonic

Ye but its a debating forum, lol

If we're all afraid by long passages (books, newspapers) then how can any of us expect to have any meaningful opinions on anything.

There are those that would argue that being short and to the point is preferable rather than getting bogged down in unnecessary linguistic gymnastics

"Never say in 100 words what you can say in 10."

^^Quote I just made up

barcelonic · 06-07-09, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sachmo_51_6

There are those that would argue that being short and to the point is preferable rather than getting bogged down in unnecessary linguistic gymnastics

"Never say in 100 words what you can say in 10."

^^Quote I just made up

I dont see how 1 could have possibly said that in 10 words. In fact there was a lot of stuff i didnt add which i could have.

Besides i wasnt just saying "i dont believe UFOs are aliens". I actually wanted to give a different theory that lots of ppl may not have heard before. I guess no-one really cares tho lol

Larkino · 06-07-09, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by barcelonic

Ye but its a debating forum, lol

If we're all afraid by long passages (books, newspapers) then how can any of us expect to have any meaningful opinions on anything.

Edit: this one short enough 4 ya Milo?

It is a debating forum, but that's the longest reply I've seen yet.

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Originally Posted by barcelonic

I dont see how 1 could have possibly said that in 10 words.

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Originally Posted by barcelonic

"i dont believe UFOs are aliens"

That was less than 10 words

barcelonic · 06-07-09, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Larkino

That was less than 10 words

"Besides, I didn't just want to say 'I don't believe UFOs are aliens'"

Ye feel free to chop my sentences in half

Larkino · 06-07-09, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by barcelonic

"Besides, I didn't just want to say 'I don't believe UFOs are aliens'"

Ye feel free to chop my sentences in half

DO you realy take everything so seriously? Chill out.

Harvez · 06-07-09, 06:20 PM

I think there is more than likey life on other planets, just non within our limitations of space travel at the moment.

as for UFO's here on earth, ive not seen one documentory which hasnt been able to not explain what the object was. there seems to be plenty of people with too much time on their hands to create hoax videos pictures etc.

if lifeforms have any sense they wont bother with earth anyway 1 episode of eastenders and they will run to the next galaxy lol...

Jon · 06-07-09, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Larkino

DO you realy take everything so seriously? Chill out.

Its a debating thread in a debating forum... If your not adding to the debate don't bother posting.

barcelonic · 06-07-09, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by harvez

there seems to be plenty of people with too much time on their hands to create hoax videos pictures etc.

there is one UFO sighting that for me is irrefutable - 1976 Tehran UFO incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so many people saw it and it wasn't civilians they were army generals from both US and Iran, and also pilots and other military personnel.

harvez, what are your thoughts on my theory of UFOs (see "long" post above, lol) I basically believe that the "flying saucers" are in fact military craft - although i certainly agree that the vast majority of "sightings" are fraudulent reports/hallucinations/weather balloons/other unidentified objects.

Harvez · 06-07-09, 07:33 PM

oh without a doubt the airforce/military are/have been testing planes at night which could be described as UFO, there used to be alot of sightings near scotland on the west coast. also Brazil gets more than its fair share of sightings but then area 51 is very close.

Larkino · 06-07-09, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

Its a debating thread in a debating forum... If your not adding to the debate don't bother posting.

Ok I won't, but not everything has to be so serious...

**rider900** · 06-07-09, 08:55 PM

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If your not adding to the debate don't bother posting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larkino

Ok I won't, but not everything has to be so serious...

Sachmo_51_6 · 06-07-09, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Larkino

Ok I won't, but not everything has to be so serious...

Aren't there other forums for not being serious on?

As I understand it, the whole point of this debating forum was to be serious and have adult discussions about social, moral and scientific questions.

Larkino · 06-07-09, 09:08 PM

ok guys

the joker · 06-07-09, 09:12 PM

For me there is no Aliens... i have a logic proof ... First as you said there is billions of planets yes it's true and may be there is life out there (not sure)

ok but Aliens who have created them hmmm i think the imagination of human So it's just an imagination right ?

then if they exists there is no Reason that the aliens are more intelligent than us So why people are imaginating that aliens will attack the earth with their spatial thing ? and why they should be with two big eyes and a gluant skin ?

So they didn't exists for me ....

05-07-09, 04:32 PM	#21
barcelonic iBook Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Swansea Posts: 2,898	The question here is that if you believe UFOs are alien spacecraft, would you believe this once you learn that this is human technology? Source: mnml.nl :: View topic - Secret Nazi Flying Disc Program The above picture was found after WWII in Germany. It is believed to have been part of a German effort to develop disc-like craft powered by propulsion. You can find more information about this here... NAZI UFOs.. Do they exist? BUT... For the full picture and discussion of all facts relating to this theory make sure to read this article... DISPOSITION OF GERMAN SAUCER TECHNOLOGY AFTER THE WAR After the war it is known that the Americans took a lot of the German technology (some even argue that this was one of the reasons for them entering the war to begin with), and even recruited some of their scientists in exchange for saving them from having to stand trial at Nuremburg - for example, some scientists who were working on the technology which led to space suits avoided charges of putting innocent people into pressure chambers to study the effects. By the fifties one of the main operations of the CIA was to use the media to instill thoughts and beliefs into American minds. It has been documented that at this time a lot of money was spent on such efforts. One article in True Magazine in January 1950 is said to have kicked off the myth of UFOs being alien spacecraft - ufo - UFOS at close sight: 1950 article of TRUE Magazine, Navy officer speaks You see, the US military had taken the technology from the Germans and were secretly developing it further. When people began to suggest these sightings were extraterrestrial in nature, the CIA began to encourage this myth because if the public believed the myth then the US military would be free to test their craft without raising suspicion. The myth grew and grew to a level the CIA I'm sure could have only dreamed of. The ambiguity and contradictory nature of statements and "evidence" surrounding the Roswell incident only helped to further encourage the believers of extraterrestrial visitations. Today, the myth is a worldwide one, which is why sightings are seen all over the globe - these craft can be tested and flown over the heartlands of America's enemies (Russia, N Korea, Iran) and they face no reprisals as when they are sighted they are recorded as UFOs - Unidentified Flying Objects. So to conclude, I do believe that we are not alone in the universe but I cannot believe for a second that we are visited regularly by alien spacecraft, especially when their craft looks, sounds and acts so conveniently like technology which exists within the human domain of creation. I will leave you with the evidence that this technology is not supernatural to Earth, and if one man in his basement can create a basic flying saucer, can you imagine what the Germans (who were at the forefront of science and technology) and now for the last 60 years, the Americans, are able to achieve. __________________ APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS I HAVE A NEW KEYBOARD Join the Consoles.RI conga today! __ Free Loader \| UK Freebies Recieved: Spoiler Xbox 360 Premium Xbox Live Gold (12 Months) £34 Bank Transfer (Thx Furbs) £19.38 BT Godfather II (PS3) "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" - Frank Zappa

06-07-09, 03:14 PM	#24
barcelonic iBook Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Swansea Posts: 2,898	I must have missed the boat on this one, cus I was expecting at least one reply or acknowledgement of my post in the "debating" forum. __________________ APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS I HAVE A NEW KEYBOARD Join the Consoles.RI conga today! __ Free Loader \| UK Freebies Recieved: Spoiler Xbox 360 Premium Xbox Live Gold (12 Months) £34 Bank Transfer (Thx Furbs) £19.38 BT Godfather II (PS3) "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" - Frank Zappa

06-07-09, 03:15 PM	#25
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06-07-09, 06:20 PM	#32
Harvez Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: l33dz Posts: 9,421	I think there is more than likey life on other planets, just non within our limitations of space travel at the moment. as for UFO's here on earth, ive not seen one documentory which hasnt been able to not explain what the object was. there seems to be plenty of people with too much time on their hands to create hoax videos pictures etc. if lifeforms have any sense they wont bother with earth anyway 1 episode of eastenders and they will run to the next galaxy lol... __________________ Freebiejeebies \| Free iphone \| Free Blackberry \| Free Wii U \| Free laptop ^^^^ its not real stop begging losers ^^^^ Someone once said "Life is what you make it", I disagree sometimes life makes you into what you are.

06-07-09, 07:33 PM	#35
Harvez Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: l33dz Posts: 9,421	oh without a doubt the airforce/military are/have been testing planes at night which could be described as UFO, there used to be alot of sightings near scotland on the west coast. also Brazil gets more than its fair share of sightings but then area 51 is very close. __________________ Freebiejeebies \| Free iphone \| Free Blackberry \| Free Wii U \| Free laptop ^^^^ its not real stop begging losers ^^^^ Someone once said "Life is what you make it", I disagree sometimes life makes you into what you are.

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joewarne Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Great Yarmouth Posts: 4,742	Of coarse the Germans were after El Dorado and the Ark of the Covenant aswell.

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06-07-09, 09:12 PM	#40
the joker iBook Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Location : Location Posts: 2,491	For me there is no Aliens... i have a logic proof ... First as you said there is billions of planets yes it's true and may be there is life out there (not sure) ok but Aliens who have created them hmmm i think the imagination of human So it's just an imagination right ? then if they exists there is no Reason that the aliens are more intelligent than us So why people are imaginating that aliens will attack the earth with their spatial thing ? and why they should be with two big eyes and a gluant skin ? So they didn't exists for me ....