The mess called Football.

ainsleee · 03-07-09, 12:54 PM

Ok so I know im not alone in saying that football is spiraling out of control. Its full of hypocrites, money grabbers, dis-loyalty and diving.

Just recently what has effected me is the manner in which Roberto Martinez left Swansea City. Granted he played at Wigan for 6 years, but only 2-3 weeks before he left, he said he would have to be forced out of the club. Also he was saying to our players not to be disloyal to the club by leaving, but he goes regardless. I do wish him all the best though, Swansea would still be in league one with out him.

Now most of Swansea's best players are getting touted by premiership teams, so how are the lower leagues ever going to improve? Its a constant cycle, championship teams take a gamble on these players, for the players to leave on the 1st sniff of the premiership.

Moving on to Real Madrid summer frenzy:
Ronaldo: £80M
Kaka: £56M
Raul Albiol: £12M
Benzema: £30-35M

Total= £178M - £183M

WHAT THE ....! The world is in a crisis and they are spending that much on 4 football players. I think that this master plan will most likely fail, being that all these play makers only know how to play one type of football and thats to hog the ball, trying to have a one man show.

So A few questions:
Wheres the loyalty gone?
Has anyone else ever gone through this with their club? How did you feel?
What do you think about Real Madrid's spending this summer?

bmh16 · 03-07-09, 01:05 PM

I agree, i can't believe Martinez left in the manner he did. And he has the indecency to try to chase some of these Swansea players to buy too as well as taking loads of the backroom staff with him. Unbelievable.

Real Madrid act as a business, they aren't a football club, they're out there to get money and their sole purpose is not as a football team anymore.

What i don't get is that people will turn down £60k a week and want for example a £20k increase. Why? The greed makes me feel sick.

Shawikebab · 03-07-09, 01:08 PM

Whats your solution to this clever ????

bmh16 · 03-07-09, 01:13 PM

There's no solution obv

joewarne · 03-07-09, 01:18 PM

absaloute joke

should be a worldwide enforced salary cap on players wages

Jackc£10 · 03-07-09, 02:51 PM

I hear what you are saying about real madrid but this has been going on for a very long time, think chelsea a few years ago or even man u before that, spending £30mil on a central defender about 6 years ago.

Shawikebab · 03-07-09, 03:21 PM

It will never stop and you cant limit the price of players because if they are worth £80M then you cant just cap the player off at £40M

djfonti · 03-07-09, 09:57 PM

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The world is in a crisis and they are spending that much on 4 football players.

All financed by loans as well.

Jackc£10 · 03-07-09, 10:08 PM

Its all financed by the government i think

barcelonic · 04-07-09, 01:04 PM

Swansea City has been raped and left for dead.

Martinez - gone!
Jones - gone!
Chief scout - gone!
Gomez - gone!
Scotland - going!
Bodde - going!

It's horrible to see this happening because I feel we are taking a huge step back and Id be shocked if we finished in the top half this season.

However, I dont think that the fact players leave clubs for better opportunities is a bad part of football that needs to change, thats just how it goes and always has done. Unless you are born in the city that you play for, loyalty only takes you so far. Who'd have thought Michael Owen would be going to United? But if you were Michael Owen you'd be thrilled with the opportunity to once again play at the top level, and even in the Champions League. It's not about money for the players, it's usually about the success. And that's inevitable.

I don't like the fact that Graeme Jones left us because he's Welsh and he's been with us far longer than Martinez. But ambition is a powerful thing.

As for Real Madrid's spending spree I think it's sick but let's face it football fees have been obscene for nearly twenty years. What amazes me is that when I used to play FM i'd cheat and give myself loads of money, but I'd still refuse to pay stupid money for players because it was unrealistic and spoiled the game, but now its actually happening!! It's insane.

-null- · 04-07-09, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by barcelonic

Swansea City has been raped and left for dead.

They're not the only ones. Motherwell only have 12 senior players, they're making up the rest from the youth squad.

barcelonic · 04-07-09, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by -null-

They're not the only ones. Motherwell only have 12 senior players, they're making up the rest from the youth squad.

Lol ye they lost to Llanelli the other day in Europe quals!!

The Welsh league is probably of a lower standard than the Qatari league, or Maltese league! To give you some idea, Llanelli called the victory the greatest result in their entire history".

Not to worry though as it was only the first leg, and I heard that Motherwell dominated possession something silly, like 90% or something like that hehe.

LiamGTR · 04-07-09, 03:43 PM

I honestly believe that by lowering the pay of all football players, most of the money grabbing players who have no love for the sport other than for money, will leave and life the rest of their lives with thir already millions in the bank, which I can only see as being a good thing.

Thats my view anyway.

barcelonic · 04-07-09, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamGTR

I honestly believe that by lowering the pay of all football players, most of the money grabbing players who have no love for the sport other than for money, will leave and life the rest of their lives with thir already millions in the bank, which I can only see as being a good thing.

Thats my view anyway.

Ye but first of all, there really aren't that many players who care only about money. In general, the higher paid a player, the more he loves the sport. You don't get to be that good unless you work harder than everyone every day of your career.

Secondly, how could they lower the wages? Caps wouldn't work, because then they'd offer to pay the extra in bonuses. Then if they banned bonuses, they'd be paid in shares of the club - etc....
If two clubs are fighting for a signing then they should be free to negotiate a contract just like in any other sport.

-null- · 04-07-09, 05:07 PM

And if you are going to introduce a wage or transfer cap then at what.

Clubs like Man U, Real, Barca etc can afford several million per player. Whereas the smaller clubs may only be able to afford to pay a couple of their players several million and then there will be clubs who can't afford to pay any of their players as much as one million.

Instead of a cap on player wages I think a cap on transfer fees would be a better as it would prevent clubs like Real from spending sooo much money on players, at least all at once.

barcelonic · 04-07-09, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -null-

And if you are going to introduce a wage or transfer cap then at what.

Clubs like Man U, Real, Barca etc can afford several million per player. Whereas the smaller clubs may only be able to afford to pay a couple of their players several million and then there will be clubs who can't afford to pay any of their players as much as one million.

Instead of a cap on player wages I think a cap on transfer fees would be a better as it would prevent clubs like Real from spending sooo much money on players, at least all at once.

the problem there tho is that when for instance Real Madrid bought Ronaldo, they considered every future possibility when they sold him, so for a part of that transfer fee they get the right to sell him on and recuperate some of that fee. its like when i buy a video game i know that they dont lose much value so if i dont play it i can sell it on and then i only paid a small amount for it.

so if a cap came in it may work in the long run but for the clubs that have bought a player above £20m (assuming the cap is £20m) they have lost out instantly because they know the max they can possibly sell him on for is £20m. imagine if that cap came into place after shevchenko went to chelsea for £30m. he was rubbish so if they'd wanted to sell him on they would have lost a guaranteed £10m

another example is Robbie Keane. Liverpool only actually spent about £1m on him, if that, because they sold him on 6 months later for almost exactly the same fee. But if the cap had been £10m for example they would have lost out.

NP350 · 02-10-09, 09:35 AM

There is a solution - believe it or not going the American way - where the league itself is the business, and the teams are merely franchises - similar to the way, say, Burger King operates.

That way the league would have far more say over the way the franchises operate - ability to put a salary cap without the E.U getting involved etc.If one team becomes uncompetitive etc.

Landy · 02-10-09, 11:10 AM

Then the league could continue to favour Arsenal and Man Utd over everyone else that bit more.

Thanks but no thanks!

03-07-09, 12:54 PM	#1
ainsleee Mini Mac Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sandfields, Port Talbot Posts: 4,079	The mess called Football. Ok so I know im not alone in saying that football is spiraling out of control. Its full of hypocrites, money grabbers, dis-loyalty and diving. Just recently what has effected me is the manner in which Roberto Martinez left Swansea City. Granted he played at Wigan for 6 years, but only 2-3 weeks before he left, he said he would have to be forced out of the club. Also he was saying to our players not to be disloyal to the club by leaving, but he goes regardless. I do wish him all the best though, Swansea would still be in league one with out him. Now most of Swansea's best players are getting touted by premiership teams, so how are the lower leagues ever going to improve? Its a constant cycle, championship teams take a gamble on these players, for the players to leave on the 1st sniff of the premiership. Moving on to Real Madrid summer frenzy: Ronaldo: £80M Kaka: £56M Raul Albiol: £12M Benzema: £30-35M Total= £178M - £183M WHAT THE ....! The world is in a crisis and they are spending that much on 4 football players. I think that this master plan will most likely fail, being that all these play makers only know how to play one type of football and thats to hog the ball, trying to have a one man show. So A few questions: Wheres the loyalty gone? Has anyone else ever gone through this with their club? How did you feel? What do you think about Real Madrid's spending this summer?

03-07-09, 01:05 PM	#2
bmh16 Call me Ben .... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol / Neath Posts: 7,728	I agree, i can't believe Martinez left in the manner he did. And he has the indecency to try to chase some of these Swansea players to buy too as well as taking loads of the backroom staff with him. Unbelievable. Real Madrid act as a business, they aren't a football club, they're out there to get money and their sole purpose is not as a football team anymore. What i don't get is that people will turn down £60k a week and want for example a £20k increase. Why? The greed makes me feel sick. __________________ FREE PS3 \| FREE iPod Touch \| FREE Wii Spoiler

03-07-09, 01:13 PM	#4
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04-07-09, 01:04 PM	#10
barcelonic iBook Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Swansea Posts: 2,898	Swansea City has been raped and left for dead. Martinez - gone! Jones - gone! Chief scout - gone! Gomez - gone! Scotland - going! Bodde - going! It's horrible to see this happening because I feel we are taking a huge step back and Id be shocked if we finished in the top half this season. However, I dont think that the fact players leave clubs for better opportunities is a bad part of football that needs to change, thats just how it goes and always has done. Unless you are born in the city that you play for, loyalty only takes you so far. Who'd have thought Michael Owen would be going to United? But if you were Michael Owen you'd be thrilled with the opportunity to once again play at the top level, and even in the Champions League. It's not about money for the players, it's usually about the success. And that's inevitable. I don't like the fact that Graeme Jones left us because he's Welsh and he's been with us far longer than Martinez. But ambition is a powerful thing. As for Real Madrid's spending spree I think it's sick but let's face it football fees have been obscene for nearly twenty years. What amazes me is that when I used to play FM i'd cheat and give myself loads of money, but I'd still refuse to pay stupid money for players because it was unrealistic and spoiled the game, but now its actually happening!! It's insane. __________________ APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS I HAVE A NEW KEYBOARD Join the Consoles.RI conga today! __ Free Loader \| UK Freebies Recieved: Spoiler Xbox 360 Premium Xbox Live Gold (12 Months) £34 Bank Transfer (Thx Furbs) £19.38 BT Godfather II (PS3) "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" - Frank Zappa

03-07-09, 01:08 PM	#3
Shawikebab iPod 20gb Join Date: May 2009 Location: Anfield - KOP end Posts: 422	Whats your solution to this clever ????

03-07-09, 01:18 PM	#5
joewarne Mini Mac Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Great Yarmouth Posts: 4,742	absaloute joke should be a worldwide enforced salary cap on players wages

03-07-09, 02:51 PM	#6
Jackc£10 iPod Nano 2GB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northampton Posts: 187	I hear what you are saying about real madrid but this has been going on for a very long time, think chelsea a few years ago or even man u before that, spending £30mil on a central defender about 6 years ago.

03-07-09, 03:21 PM	#7
Shawikebab iPod 20gb Join Date: May 2009 Location: Anfield - KOP end Posts: 422	It will never stop and you cant limit the price of players because if they are worth £80M then you cant just cap the player off at £40M

03-07-09, 10:08 PM	#9
Jackc£10 iPod Nano 2GB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northampton Posts: 187	Its all financed by the government i think

04-07-09, 03:43 PM	#13
LiamGTR iPod 30gb Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North East Posts: 1,185	I honestly believe that by lowering the pay of all football players, most of the money grabbing players who have no love for the sport other than for money, will leave and life the rest of their lives with thir already millions in the bank, which I can only see as being a good thing. Thats my view anyway.

04-07-09, 05:07 PM	#15
-null- Mini Mac Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,135	And if you are going to introduce a wage or transfer cap then at what. Clubs like Man U, Real, Barca etc can afford several million per player. Whereas the smaller clubs may only be able to afford to pay a couple of their players several million and then there will be clubs who can't afford to pay any of their players as much as one million. Instead of a cap on player wages I think a cap on transfer fees would be a better as it would prevent clubs like Real from spending sooo much money on players, at least all at once.

02-10-09, 09:35 AM	#17
NP350 iPod Shuffle Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	There is a solution - believe it or not going the American way - where the league itself is the business, and the teams are merely franchises - similar to the way, say, Burger King operates. That way the league would have far more say over the way the franchises operate - ability to put a salary cap without the E.U getting involved etc.If one team becomes uncompetitive etc.

02-10-09, 11:10 AM	#18
Landy iPod 20gb Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Brentwood Posts: 757	Then the league could continue to favour Arsenal and Man Utd over everyone else that bit more. Thanks but no thanks!