Will the World end in 2012 ?

[Harvez]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Mate you are being far too touchy, i'm going to leave it as that i didn't mean to offend you and i am sorry if i did but you really must be looking deep into a post like that and there's no need to. I said i respect your opinion, like many other people's opinions will be the same.

I would call myself agnostic too in the past, but i'm not so sure if i'm agnostic then thinking about it. I mean i'm not sure whether there is a God, but at the same time i think there could well be and hope there is. But i don't believe it would be linked to any religions on Earth. Is there a classification for that?

being agnostic dosnt mean u dont believe in god.

An agnostic believes that the nature of God and/or supernatural are unknown and unknowable by human beings, if they exist at all. An agnostic thinks it is impossible (at least now, with our current understanding of the nature of the world) to conclusively know the truth about the existence of God and the afterlife which Christianity and other religions are concerned with.
If you ask an agnostic "Does God exist?", possible replies might include:
I don't personally know.
I can't give an opinion because we can't prove the existence or non-existence of God given currently available knowledge.
I can't give an opinion because there's no real way to know, with certainty, anything about God.
Anything's possible, but we can't assert that God definitely does exist, or that God definitely does not exist. It is beyond our capabilities to prove anything about God.
An agnostic is different from an atheist, who believes, with certainty, that God does not exist. Agnostic means, literally, "does not know" (from Greek: the prefix a- means "not/without" + gnosis means "knowledge"

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[bmh16]

Originally Posted by harvez

being agnostic dosnt mean u dont believe in god.

An agnostic believes that the nature of God and/or supernatural are unknown and unknowable by human beings, if they exist at all. An agnostic thinks it is impossible (at least now, with our current understanding of the nature of the world) to conclusively know the truth about the existence of God and the afterlife which Christianity and other religions are concerned with.
If you ask an agnostic "Does God exist?", possible replies might include:
I don't personally know.
I can't give an opinion because we can't prove the existence or non-existence of God given currently available knowledge.
I can't give an opinion because there's no real way to know, with certainty, anything about God.
Anything's possible, but we can't assert that God definitely does exist, or that God definitely does not exist. It is beyond our capabilities to prove anything about God.
An agnostic is different from an atheist, who believes, with certainty, that God does not exist. Agnostic means, literally, "does not know" (from Greek: the prefix a- means "not/without" + gnosis means "knowledge"

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Yeah i did know the difference there but can't say i knew everything an agnostic is like, i guess i must be agnostic then, i wondered if there was a separate classification again for it though. Personally i can't understand atheists opinions, i mean everything around us i think is too complex i believe sometimes for there to be nothing there.... Though this might be seen as controversal, which is another reason for the return of the deleted thread!

[chigley]

Originally Posted by bmh16

Personally i can't understand atheists opinions, i mean everything around us i think is too complex i believe sometimes for there to be nothing there.... Though this might be seen as controversal, which is another reason for the return of the deleted thread!

Yeah that's what I used to think, but then science does seem to be able to answer a lot of questions than the Bible can't. I want to believe the views of Christianity, and do believe a lot of it, but with evolution (for example) the scientific theory seems far more solid than the story of the seven days and Noah's Ark.

I definitely think that there should be a debate thread on God; just ban people instantly who are disrespectful and it should stay clean!

[bmh16]

Originally Posted by chigley

Yeah that's what I used to think, but then science does seem to be able to answer a lot of questions than the Bible can't. I want to believe the views of Christianity, and do believe a lot of it, but with evolution (for example) the scientific theory seems far more solid than the story of the seven days and Noah's Ark.

I definitely think that there should be a debate thread on God; just ban people instantly who are disrespectful and it should stay clean!

Definitely!

But on the other hand there is evidence to back up events that happened in the bible like the ark and other stuff. I just think it's weird, so many different opinions, and annoying as we will almost probably never know whilst alive!

Out of interest why do you want to believe the views of Christianity. As i see it most of us will be going to hell if Christianity is true. And do you know that heaven is apparently just worshipping God, that sound good to you? I just hope there is a God, a neutral one and a good God which will reward people for what they have done and a chance to redeem themselves for the murderers etc. Humans are all the same ultimately, and people shouldn't be blamed for their upbringing and companions in life.

[jp607]

Has this Mayan theory been enforced by science? Or is it just a theory?

They've predicted other stuff as well, they said that the eagle and the bear would go to war - and they did, the cold war.

They predicted other stuff as well apparently, but most of the predicitions are really ambiguous and could be interpretted as loads of things. I'll try and find out what other stuff they predicted

[mcgrou]

Originally Posted by chigley

Has this Mayan theory been enforced by science? Or is it just a theory?

The Mayan calander ends in 2012. That's literally the extent of their "proof".

I am agnostic, in that I do not believe we are capable of understanding how we came to be. However, I feel that if there was an "All-loving God", as so many religions describe him, then why would he ever punish someone who didn't believe in him, or follow his teachings, regardless of how they act.

I like and agree with this video:



The title is irrelevant, just listen to the content.

[blu-kryztal]

The world will end in 2012, say experts

ALL ABOUT 2012

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[barcelonic]

I have sooooo much to say on this but rather than type it all out take a look through this thread which was made about the subject before. Its long but theres some very interesting discussions in there...

http://www.exceem.co.uk/forums/loung...rophecies.html

[Sachmo_51_6]

Will the world end in 2012?
Ask me again on 1st January 2013

I've lost count of the number of times that I've been told that the world is going to end on a particular day at a particular time, and yet miraculously we're all still here!

In my opinion, it doesn't matter when the world ends, cos if you think it's going to end next friday (for example) then why bother doing anything?

Focus more on living today, rather than worrying about tomorrow!

[the joker]

i don't think it's true ... world's end will be 2012 not very interessting ... it's just a jurassic rumor

[elliotknell]

Ok, if the world was going to end in 2012, how would the mayans have any idea? Its not like they can predict the future.

I don't fear death, so it doesn't bother me in the least.

[elliotknell]

Originally Posted by chigley

Back on the world ending... I don't know where my views on life in general lie.

I have a religious side, a confirmed Christian, and believe in God. I also believe in some scientific theories which contradict the Bible. A debate on God would turn out to be really interesting; shame it got closed almost instantly though!

Has this Mayan theory been enforced by science? Or is it just a theory?

EDIT: Harvez; I don't hate you, I just hold a grudge!

If you look closely enough, you find that science only SEEMS to contradict the BIble. The harsh fact is, that if contradicts the Bible, it isn't true. YOu just have to find out how.

[Schism]

Originally Posted by chigley

I'll be pretty miffed if we do f*ck things up that badly that the world ends in 2012 - I'm a necrophobic (fear of death)!

Which is why you don't like playing CoD against me

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Sachmo_51_6

In my opinion, it doesn't matter when the world ends, cos if you think it's going to end next friday (for example) then why bother doing anything?

If i thought the world was going to end next Friday I'd be very very busy doing loads of stuff that i've always wanted to do.

Why would you not "bother" doing anything? You'd just sit around and wait for it? That surprises me.

Its like if i was going to die tomorrow Id go out and buy some heroin. Why not? You're going to die anyway might as well see what all the fuss is about.

[Sachmo_51_6]

That kind of proves my point- if you thought the world was going to end tomorrow, you'd go out and buy heroin, then if it turns out that it didn't end tomorrow, you could end up with a heroin habit for life and end up a criminal etc.

Also, if scientists could prove that the world was going to end in six months (eg there was a massive asteroid heading for Earth and everyone would definitely die) and everyone took your attitude then farmers would stop growing food for everyone else (why bother, next month we'll all be dead anyway), society would crumble (why bother obeying laws, in a month we'll all be dead anyway, so lets rob shops and get in fights and drink and take drugs). So I reckon society would collapse and a significant number of people (possibly everyone) would be dead long before the asteroid hit.

However, I like to think that a lot of people (myself included) would be able to demonstrate that greatest of British attributes- the stiff upper lip. I like to think that we would be able to maintain enough self control to maintain some semblance of a society, and indeed Humanity, rather than resort to anarchy and wholesale destruction.

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Sachmo_51_6

That kind of proves my point- if you thought the world was going to end tomorrow, you'd go out and buy heroin, then if it turns out that it didn't end tomorrow, you could end up with a heroin habit for life and end up a criminal etc.

Also, if scientists could prove that the world was going to end in six months (eg there was a massive asteroid heading for Earth and everyone would definitely die) and everyone took your attitude then farmers would stop growing food for everyone else (why bother, next month we'll all be dead anyway), society would crumble (why bother obeying laws, in a month we'll all be dead anyway, so lets rob shops and get in fights and drink and take drugs). So I reckon society would collapse and a significant number of people (possibly everyone) would be dead long before the asteroid hit.

Ye i agree, if people believed it then civilisation could some to a standstill. That said tho, its never going to happen because people don't believe in things like that. The only way people would believe the end of the world was coming is if it was proven - eg. a meteor is heading straight for Earth and all of the world's governments and scientists are admitting it to their people, like in Deep Impact.

Originally Posted by Sachmo_51_6

However, I like to think that a lot of people (myself included) would be able to demonstrate that greatest of British attributes- the stiff upper lip. I like to think that we would be able to maintain enough self control to maintain some semblance of a society, and indeed Humanity, rather than resort to anarchy and wholesale destruction.

I don't agree with that tbh. Essentially people are the same regardless which country they reside in, especially when under the level of stress assosciated with the end of days. The whole stiff upper lip thing is possibly a genuine trait amongst the "quintessentially British", but even then it is a subtle one and therefore would not affect us in a way entirely different from the rest of humanity in a situation like that.

[Sachmo_51_6]

Originally Posted by barcelonic

Ye i agree, if people believed it then civilisation could some to a standstill. That said tho, its never going to happen because people don't believe in things like that. The only way people would believe the end of the world was coming is if it was proven - eg. a meteor is heading straight for Earth and all of the world's governments and scientists are admitting it to their people, like in Deep Impact.

It might just be me, but this seems to be repeating exactly what I had just said- that there might be a meteor that would kill us all in 6 months, so we would all know that we were going to die.

Originally Posted by barcelonic

I don't agree with that tbh. Essentially people are the same regardless which country they reside in, especially when under the level of stress assosciated with the end of days. The whole stiff upper lip thing is possibly a genuine trait amongst the "quintessentially British", but even then it is a subtle one and therefore would not affect us in a way entirely different from the rest of humanity in a situation like that.

Ok, the 'Britishness' thing was maybe a bit melodramatic (too many films methinks!), but there would be people out there (in other countries as well) who would not resort to looting, pillaging and raping and would maintain a society in some shape or form.

[barcelonic]

Originally Posted by Sachmo_51_6

It might just be me, but this seems to be repeating exactly what I had just said- that there might be a meteor that would kill us all in 6 months, so we would all know that we were going to die.

I said "I agree"

In order for the whole of society to collapse, a majority would need to think the world's ending, not just some new age hippies or whoever it is that believes ancient predictions.

Originally Posted by Sachmo_51_6

Ok, the 'Britishness' thing was maybe a bit melodramatic (too many films methinks!), but there would be people out there (in other countries as well) who would not resort to looting, pillaging and raping and would maintain a society in some shape or form.

Again all it takes is a "majority" to think the world's ending. So if as i suspect, those people you mention who would "control themselves" and continue business as usual are an overwhelming minority, then society would still crumble. With the best will in the world those people alone could not maintain a society, in any "shape or form". Either society would crumble or it wouldn't, eg. if such a person sold rail tickets there would be no point without a train driver. of the person in question sold fruit, he'd have no customers if no delivery came that morning.

[tronsmith]

Apparently the arrival of the 10th planet "Nibiru" and it's inhabitants the "Annunaki" will come to soon be in passing.

I don't think this is true purely because if a planet with a 3600 year orbit was nearing us, we would be able to see it.

[zogatowa104]

ask God, he probably knows the answer, as for my opinion, no it definitely wont