Abortion! right or wrong?

**the_icks** · 29-06-09, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rider900

Edit: Never mind

http://www.exceem.co.uk/forums/debat...-god-real.html

...retires to a safe distance!

**rider900** · 29-06-09, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by the_icks

http://www.exceem.co.uk/forums/debat...-god-real.html

...retires to a safe distance!

Yeah it's been closed now anyway.

**the_icks** · 29-06-09, 08:50 PM

closed.... well not much point in this debate area then if we can't raise contraversial topics like religion!

Djoscar · 29-06-09, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the_icks

closed.... well not much point in this debate area then if we can't raise contraversial topics like religion!

It was closed because of this:

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and I can imagine this to be the funniest arguement on eXceem

Harvez · 29-06-09, 08:52 PM

or if one person steps out of line, slap the muppet and let the others who are following the guidelines get on with it.

the joker · 29-06-09, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oXoDCoXo

you say its killing their life, but what if you didnt want the child and knew that if you were going to give birth to it, it would lead an awful childhood because your with an abusive partner, or are on drugs etc. and could therefore kill the baby once it has been born due to the circumstances you are in. which im sure would cause more pain to a baby that has been born and is out in the world than to one that is within the mother still

abortion or killing the baby that has been born is the same ... you think that the baby don't feel anything in the placenta ?

Against abortion

bmh16 · 29-06-09, 08:54 PM

How annoying i just made a huge reply, and being agnostic and seeing things from both perspectives i thought it was one of my best posts i've done. Gutted i couldn't even retrieve it for copy and paste or anything in the future. Why can't we debate it, just give infractions and delete the idiot non sensical posts and make the people who know what they are saying keep at it. It's a very interesting topic.

Totally agree with what harvez and icks said. What's the point of this forum if you can't debate the interesting stuff. Just get rid of the idiots.

barcelonic · 29-06-09, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the joker

you think that the baby don't feel anything in the placenta ?

you can't ask that question without at least letting us know where you heard otherwise ?

do u recall feeling any physical discomfort when u were in the womb? im sure you dont but im struggling to see why you are so sure that foetuses can feel pain (and btw the placenta is the feeding tube for the foetus, so i think you meant womb).

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Originally Posted by bmh16

Totally agree with what harvez and icks said. What's the point of this forum if you can't debate the interesting stuff. Just get rid of the idiots.

couldnt agree more! i feel 4 u Ben as a regular submitter of large posts i know how u feel

i think if a thread like that has been removed we should at very least be told why

Emma · 30-06-09, 04:54 PM

It was removed as someone reported a post for reasons which I won't go into as it's not fair on that person and we made the decision to close it. We won't just close threads as and when we feel like it, as this section was made to debate things in the open, but when someone has strong views on a particular thread/post for whatever reason, the decision may be taken to either delete the post or close thwe thread depending on how we see fit!

**the_icks** · 30-06-09, 05:07 PM

if a devout catholic had objected to this thread? or objected about capital punishment??

bmh16 · 30-06-09, 05:14 PM

Exactly ian, there's things people will dislike in most threads like abortion even especially

I think i will complain at every post and see what happens!

Emma · 30-06-09, 05:23 PM

The point is, while it is a debating forum, if we're asked to remove/close a thread because that person feels strongly about that thing for a particular reason that's what we'll do.

While the debating forum obviously incites strong opinions generally, and 99.999999% of these we won't do anything about, if a post or thread goes against someone's religious/ethical beliefs we will consider differently as it's our policy to remain 'open' to all and we can't do that if we leave a thread open that goes against this

bmh16 · 30-06-09, 05:28 PM

Well i don't agree with that personally. How one earth can it go against one's religious beliefs? Surely if that person is strong enough they can either a) give a good defence of why they believe it or b) keep clear of the thread. In my view anyone with religious views who won't be prepared to debate are very weak and must be relying on their parents beliefs for the record and i have seen that happen too many damn times.

As you can tell i'm still annoyed my epically long post never got retrieved or anything

barcelonic · 30-06-09, 07:57 PM

I do think that there has to be a limit. At the end of the day the mods are here to delete offensive remarks, but to delete an entire thread simply because someone is afraid of what MAY be written is insane.

Most of us here are smart enough to write our arguments in a way that is considerate of people's religious beliefs. And if a comment is written that that person takes offence to then of course remove it!

But i think it takes the cake a bit that the entire thread was removed at the whim of someone who is clearly so insecure about their own belief system that they abhor the idea of people having a philosophical discussion!

As someone else said, they can simply avoid the thread. Its not hard, there are thousands of threads on eXceem i have not read. Did this person specifically ask for the thread to be closed or just a remark deleted?

bmh16 · 30-06-09, 08:03 PM

Well there has been a debate about it in the past on here and it was debated very well from both sides. Saint and a member who's name i can't remember, it was a while back but very interesting!

barcelonic · 30-06-09, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bmh16

Well there has been a debate about it in the past on here and it was debated very well from both sides. Saint and a member who's name i can't remember, it was a while back but very interesting!

i think i may have been involved in that one. ill have a search and see if i can find it. saint is a great debater!

bmh16 · 30-06-09, 08:09 PM

I dunno, the one i remember was before you joined im pretty sure!

barcelonic · 30-06-09, 08:20 PM

o rite. well i found this one anyway.....

http://www.exceem.co.uk/forums/loung...-protests.html

me and the_saint discussing religion with a few other ppl. started off on scientology but soon broadened up.

(i hope this one doesnt get deleted too

)

claire80 · 30-06-09, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyegg

But didn't she realise the consequences a one night stand might bring? I was on the train a couple of weeks ago and had to listen to this long conversation between these two girls about how one of them was pregnant and didn't want the child, what an inconvenience it would be etc. Seems pretty unfair to me when I'm struggling to conceive

I'm not completely against abortion - rape is a perfect example of when abortion is a reasonable thing to do. I agree money shouldn't come into it.

i agree in that she should have realised the consequences , but we have all acted in ways and not thought of the consequences havent we ..in general life i mean not just sex.

and yea it is harsh when people cant have kids or try for years etc and then thers dont want there kids so i can see where you are coming from there.

money is a weird subject ..yes it shouldnt really come into it , i mean you do manage because you have to my mom managed to bring me up on not much money etc , but if you have no house no support and no money you have to consider the combined effect.

i still think at the point in her life she was at it was the right decision for her , im not saying i would have done the same however.

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Originally Posted by bmh16

As i see it though it's your friend's fault for getting in the one night stand and not getting the proper contraceptives of it. I think it's disgusting the amount of people who do that and say that they want an abortion. Well it was their selfish reasons to get there in the first place i think personally and what right do we have to decided life and death?

see above , im not saying it wasnt her fault but why should 2 peoples lives be miserable instead of just 1 ?

tronsmith · 09-07-09, 10:49 PM

There are alot of people saying that having an abortion is killing a baby?

Well we need to establish whether a featus is a human being. I beleive not, if it's human, why when a mother has a miscarriage there is no funeral? if a featus is a human being why doesn't the cencus count them? Mothers don't say "I have three children" but instead "I have 2 and one on the way". How far back do you go before it becomes immoral to kill? Masturbate and you kill millions of potentia life. When does sperm (after entering a woman) become so special that by no means nessecary should it's life be terminated (even though millions of it's friends died horrifically trying to get to the egg)?

Errrm, anyway, I am pro-abortion.

29-06-09, 08:52 PM	#45
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29-06-09, 08:54 PM	#47
bmh16 Call me Ben .... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol / Neath Posts: 7,728	How annoying i just made a huge reply, and being agnostic and seeing things from both perspectives i thought it was one of my best posts i've done. Gutted i couldn't even retrieve it for copy and paste or anything in the future. Why can't we debate it, just give infractions and delete the idiot non sensical posts and make the people who know what they are saying keep at it. It's a very interesting topic. Totally agree with what harvez and icks said. What's the point of this forum if you can't debate the interesting stuff. Just get rid of the idiots. __________________ FREE PS3 \| FREE iPod Touch \| FREE Wii Spoiler

30-06-09, 04:54 PM	#49
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30-06-09, 05:14 PM	#51
bmh16 Call me Ben .... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol / Neath Posts: 7,728	Exactly ian, there's things people will dislike in most threads like abortion even especially I think i will complain at every post and see what happens! __________________ FREE PS3 \| FREE iPod Touch \| FREE Wii Spoiler

30-06-09, 05:23 PM	#52
Emma Mini Mac Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,438	The point is, while it is a debating forum, if we're asked to remove/close a thread because that person feels strongly about that thing for a particular reason that's what we'll do. While the debating forum obviously incites strong opinions generally, and 99.999999% of these we won't do anything about, if a post or thread goes against someone's religious/ethical beliefs we will consider differently as it's our policy to remain 'open' to all and we can't do that if we leave a thread open that goes against this __________________ Spoiler Received: Xbox360 - iPod 30gb Photo - GHD Straighteners- £45 Amazon Vouchers - £40 in vouchers - 19" Samsung Monitor - 4 chick lit books - Trainers - Towel set - More trainers - Chicklit books - Las Vegas flights consoles freebiejeebies \| Free Gifts \| Free DSi XL \| Free PSP Go \| Free DVD Player

29-06-09, 08:50 PM	#43
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,996	closed.... well not much point in this debate area then if we can't raise contraversial topics like religion!

30-06-09, 05:07 PM	#50
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,996	if a devout catholic had objected to this thread? or objected about capital punishment??

30-06-09, 05:28 PM	#53
bmh16 Call me Ben .... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol / Neath Posts: 7,728	Well i don't agree with that personally. How one earth can it go against one's religious beliefs? Surely if that person is strong enough they can either a) give a good defence of why they believe it or b) keep clear of the thread. In my view anyone with religious views who won't be prepared to debate are very weak and must be relying on their parents beliefs for the record and i have seen that happen too many damn times. As you can tell i'm still annoyed my epically long post never got retrieved or anything __________________ FREE PS3 \| FREE iPod Touch \| FREE Wii Spoiler

30-06-09, 07:57 PM	#54
barcelonic iBook Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Swansea Posts: 2,898	I do think that there has to be a limit. At the end of the day the mods are here to delete offensive remarks, but to delete an entire thread simply because someone is afraid of what MAY be written is insane. Most of us here are smart enough to write our arguments in a way that is considerate of people's religious beliefs. And if a comment is written that that person takes offence to then of course remove it! But i think it takes the cake a bit that the entire thread was removed at the whim of someone who is clearly so insecure about their own belief system that they abhor the idea of people having a philosophical discussion! As someone else said, they can simply avoid the thread. Its not hard, there are thousands of threads on eXceem i have not read. Did this person specifically ask for the thread to be closed or just a remark deleted? __________________ APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS I HAVE A NEW KEYBOARD Join the Consoles.RI conga today! __ Free Loader \| UK Freebies Recieved: Spoiler Xbox 360 Premium Xbox Live Gold (12 Months) £34 Bank Transfer (Thx Furbs) £19.38 BT Godfather II (PS3) "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" - Frank Zappa

30-06-09, 08:03 PM	#55
bmh16 Call me Ben .... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol / Neath Posts: 7,728	Well there has been a debate about it in the past on here and it was debated very well from both sides. Saint and a member who's name i can't remember, it was a while back but very interesting! __________________ FREE PS3 \| FREE iPod Touch \| FREE Wii Spoiler

30-06-09, 08:09 PM	#57
bmh16 Call me Ben .... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol / Neath Posts: 7,728	I dunno, the one i remember was before you joined im pretty sure! __________________ FREE PS3 \| FREE iPod Touch \| FREE Wii Spoiler

30-06-09, 08:20 PM	#58
barcelonic iBook Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Swansea Posts: 2,898	o rite. well i found this one anyway..... http://www.exceem.co.uk/forums/loung...-protests.html me and the_saint discussing religion with a few other ppl. started off on scientology but soon broadened up. (i hope this one doesnt get deleted too ) __________________ APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS I HAVE A NEW KEYBOARD Join the Consoles.RI conga today! __ Free Loader \| UK Freebies Recieved: Spoiler Xbox 360 Premium Xbox Live Gold (12 Months) £34 Bank Transfer (Thx Furbs) £19.38 BT Godfather II (PS3) "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" - Frank Zappa

09-07-09, 10:49 PM	#60
tronsmith iPod 60gb Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,663	There are alot of people saying that having an abortion is killing a baby? Well we need to establish whether a featus is a human being. I beleive not, if it's human, why when a mother has a miscarriage there is no funeral? if a featus is a human being why doesn't the cencus count them? Mothers don't say "I have three children" but instead "I have 2 and one on the way". How far back do you go before it becomes immoral to kill? Masturbate and you kill millions of potentia life. When does sperm (after entering a woman) become so special that by no means nessecary should it's life be terminated (even though millions of it's friends died horrifically trying to get to the egg)? Errrm, anyway, I am pro-abortion.