Abortion! right or wrong?

**the_icks** · 29-06-09, 05:11 PM

children are always having children, its the way of society, as long as we reward teenage mothers/fathers with houses and benefits its a good excuse not to get a job.

and before everyone jumps on me, I was a teenage parent, and the mother was even younger (15, my surname isnt Glitter)

AnobizII · 29-06-09, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by the_icks

children are always having children, its the way of society, as long as we reward teenage mothers/fathers with houses and benefits its a good excuse not to get a job.

and before everyone jumps on me, I was a teenage parent, and the mother was even younger (15, my surname isnt Glitter)

I completly agree, i had a friend who's little sister was activly trying to get preggers at 16, when i asked her what she was thinkin she said that its ok cause she won't have to work or pay rent...

And as long as thats the mentality we're always gonna have kids having kids...

kevan321 · 29-06-09, 05:16 PM

I'm pro abortion, I can see why people are against it, it's also a horrific thing for the women/girls to go through, and the people performing it.

But, that's still better than an unloved child coming into the world, that could be horribly mistreated, or the parent could just not be fit to look after it.

Also, I'd be torn about the disability one, I feel I would still want that child regardless, but I think that's selfish if the child would suffer in life.

I think rape victims definitely should, that could really mess people up.

barcelonic · 29-06-09, 05:21 PM

i think abortion is a truly wonderful thing. it irritates me that people think that girls who gets raped by their fathers should then give birth to and raise their inbred children, simply because they are religious.

it is amazing technology and serves us well. i also think that stem cell treatment is outstanding and should get far more funding than it does. anything that saves lives is a marvellous achievement and we shouldnt let religion hold us back in that regard.

Harvez · 29-06-09, 05:39 PM

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we shouldnt let religion hold us back in that regard.

but at the same time we have to respect other peoples religions even if we dont agree witht them.

barcelonic · 29-06-09, 05:46 PM

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but at the same time we have to respect other peoples religions even if we dont agree witht them.

i always respect ppl's religious beliefs but when ppl die as a result of them i think its time to draw a line

if you argued in a court of law that God told you to murder someone and so you did it, it wouldnt matter if the judge and jury were devout catholics you'd still get convicted.

Harvez · 29-06-09, 05:49 PM

im agnostic so cant argue there.

claire80 · 29-06-09, 06:02 PM

I am pro abortion though i have only in the last 5 or so years decided that i am for it .

my friend had an abortion and i was absolutley mortified couldnt understand why she was doing it at the time , however the more i thought the more i changed my mind , she had had a one night stand , bloke was not interested in the child and didnt want to know , she had no job and no where to live , she has hardly any family and what she does have would have in no way supported her ..i can fully see her reasonings behind it .

there are enough children suffering in the world , if people cant give kids a decent life or are going to resent them ie rape etc then i think if they decide to have an abortion thats fine.

i do think the limit should be lowered though as having been through 2 pregnancies at the stage abortion is at now i could feel my baby move , must be really hard and traumatic for those that have to go through it

**the_icks** · 29-06-09, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by harvez

im agnostic so cant argue there.

I am antagonistic so will argue there!!

barcelonic · 29-06-09, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by claire80

there are enough children suffering in the world , if people cant give kids a decent life or are going to resent them ie rape etc then i think if they decide to have an abortion thats fine.

hit the nail right on the head there claire. kids are our future and there are so many ******s out there who if never born the world would be a better place. Every child should have a good upbringing but even in the UK i'd estimate between 20% and 30% of children probably don't have the upbringing they deserve and can go on to become undesirable members of society. And so if a child isnt wanted its better for everyone that they are not born. I dont think for a second that its fair to compare abortion to murder, because there is no evidence to suggest that pain is involved and there can be no denying that where there is no conscious thought there is no person. We don't get all uppity when someone steps on an ant do we? And they are more aware of their existence than an unborn child.

Monkeyegg · 29-06-09, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by claire80

I am pro abortion though i have only in the last 5 or so years decided that i am for it .

my friend had an abortion and i was absolutley mortified couldnt understand why she was doing it at the time , however the more i thought the more i changed my mind , she had had a one night stand , bloke was not interested in the child and didnt want to know , she had no job and no where to live , she has hardly any family and what she does have would have in no way supported her ..i can fully see her reasonings behind it .

there are enough children suffering in the world , if people cant give kids a decent life or are going to resent them ie rape etc then i think if they decide to have an abortion thats fine.

i do think the limit should be lowered though as having been through 2 pregnancies at the stage abortion is at now i could feel my baby move , must be really hard and traumatic for those that have to go through it

But didn't she realise the consequences a one night stand might bring? I was on the train a couple of weeks ago and had to listen to this long conversation between these two girls about how one of them was pregnant and didn't want the child, what an inconvenience it would be etc. Seems pretty unfair to me when I'm struggling to conceive

I'm not completely against abortion - rape is a perfect example of when abortion is a reasonable thing to do. I agree money shouldn't come into it.

the joker · 29-06-09, 07:54 PM

i'm against the abortion ... because you know when you know that you're pregnant the baby is in life ... So i don't think that there is a différence between Killing a baby in his mum placenta or killing a baby (already born)

abortion = kill someone life (even you have finicial problems)

oXoDCoXo · 29-06-09, 08:01 PM

you say its killing their life, but what if you didnt want the child and knew that if you were going to give birth to it, it would lead an awful childhood because your with an abusive partner, or are on drugs etc. and could therefore kill the baby once it has been born due to the circumstances you are in. which im sure would cause more pain to a baby that has been born and is out in the world than to one that is within the mother still

**the_icks** · 29-06-09, 08:04 PM

**the_icks** · 29-06-09, 08:05 PM

these baby drop off points are the best idea, but medical help should always be available, even anonamsly.

**rider900** · 29-06-09, 08:26 PM

I am against abortion, it's horrible and it's murder, simple as that. I would prefer babies to go for adoption if the parents don't want the child, it would at least give the baby a chance to experience the world and i don't think parents should be allowed to kill a baby in the womb. As joewarne said, only God should be able to end somebody's life. I hate abortion, is sick and it's horrible! Just... murder.

And i'm sorry if i've offended anyone, it's just my opinion. Oh and don't create a debate thread ''Does God exsist'' That probably would offend a lot of people, it would offend me.

barcelonic · 29-06-09, 08:27 PM

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"Do you want fries with that?"

**the_icks** · 29-06-09, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rider900

I am against abortion, it's horrible and it's murder, simple as that. I would prefer babies to go for adoption if the parents don't want the child, it would at least give the baby a chance to experience the world and i don't think parents should be allowed to kill a baby in the womb. As joewarne said, only God should be able to end somebody's life. I hate abortion, is sick and it's horrible! Just... murder.

And i'm sorry if i've offended anyone, it's just my opinion. Oh and don't create a debate thread ''Does God exsist'' That probably would offend a lot of people, it would offend me.

too late!!

**rider900** · 29-06-09, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the_icks

too late!!

Edit: Never mind

bmh16 · 29-06-09, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by claire80

I am pro abortion though i have only in the last 5 or so years decided that i am for it .

my friend had an abortion and i was absolutley mortified couldnt understand why she was doing it at the time , however the more i thought the more i changed my mind , she had had a one night stand , bloke was not interested in the child and didnt want to know , she had no job and no where to live , she has hardly any family and what she does have would have in no way supported her ..i can fully see her reasonings behind it .

there are enough children suffering in the world , if people cant give kids a decent life or are going to resent them ie rape etc then i think if they decide to have an abortion thats fine.

i do think the limit should be lowered though as having been through 2 pregnancies at the stage abortion is at now i could feel my baby move , must be really hard and traumatic for those that have to go through it

As i see it though it's your friend's fault for getting in the one night stand and not getting the proper contraceptives of it. I think it's disgusting the amount of people who do that and say that they want an abortion. Well it was their selfish reasons to get there in the first place i think personally and what right do we have to decided life and death?

29-06-09, 05:16 PM	#23
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29-06-09, 08:26 PM	#36
rider900 Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7,535	I am against abortion, it's horrible and it's murder, simple as that. I would prefer babies to go for adoption if the parents don't want the child, it would at least give the baby a chance to experience the world and i don't think parents should be allowed to kill a baby in the womb. As joewarne said, only God should be able to end somebody's life. I hate abortion, is sick and it's horrible! Just... murder. And i'm sorry if i've offended anyone, it's just my opinion. Oh and don't create a debate thread ''Does God exsist'' That probably would offend a lot of people, it would offend me. __________________

29-06-09, 05:11 PM	#21
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,995	children are always having children, its the way of society, as long as we reward teenage mothers/fathers with houses and benefits its a good excuse not to get a job. and before everyone jumps on me, I was a teenage parent, and the mother was even younger (15, my surname isnt Glitter)

29-06-09, 06:02 PM	#28
claire80 Mini Mac Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Midlands Posts: 11,689	I am pro abortion though i have only in the last 5 or so years decided that i am for it . my friend had an abortion and i was absolutley mortified couldnt understand why she was doing it at the time , however the more i thought the more i changed my mind , she had had a one night stand , bloke was not interested in the child and didnt want to know , she had no job and no where to live , she has hardly any family and what she does have would have in no way supported her ..i can fully see her reasonings behind it . there are enough children suffering in the world , if people cant give kids a decent life or are going to resent them ie rape etc then i think if they decide to have an abortion thats fine. i do think the limit should be lowered though as having been through 2 pregnancies at the stage abortion is at now i could feel my baby move , must be really hard and traumatic for those that have to go through it

29-06-09, 07:54 PM	#32
the joker iBook Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Location : Location Posts: 2,491	i'm against the abortion ... because you know when you know that you're pregnant the baby is in life ... So i don't think that there is a différence between Killing a baby in his mum placenta or killing a baby (already born) abortion = kill someone life (even you have finicial problems)

29-06-09, 08:01 PM	#33
oXoDCoXo iBook Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Coventry Posts: 2,025	you say its killing their life, but what if you didnt want the child and knew that if you were going to give birth to it, it would lead an awful childhood because your with an abusive partner, or are on drugs etc. and could therefore kill the baby once it has been born due to the circumstances you are in. which im sure would cause more pain to a baby that has been born and is out in the world than to one that is within the mother still

29-06-09, 08:04 PM	#34
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,995

29-06-09, 08:05 PM	#35
the_icks Mr Baldy Chicken Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,995	these baby drop off points are the best idea, but medical help should always be available, even anonamsly.