eXceem - I have never been more ashamed to be scottish

-null- · 15-05-08, 05:44 PM

Watching the footage of the rioting fans in Manchester yesterday. Animals, complete animals.

RnRDave · 15-05-08, 05:48 PM

Theres loads still hanging round Manchester...

The center doesnt look that bad now.

bmh16 · 15-05-08, 06:00 PM

Disgusting, they should all be sent to prison. Wishful thinking, that will never happen though!

xbox360guy · 15-05-08, 06:18 PM

i know. was too far.

the_saint · 15-05-08, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by -0707-

Watching the footage of the rioting fans in Manchester yesterday. Animals, complete animals.

I'm half Scottish but I don't see it as a Scottish thing - just a ned thing really, so don't feel too bad.

I was in town yesterday visiting the new courts and it was a really nice atmosphere during the day at least. Very loud, a bit rowdy, but good natured and friendly. It was really sunny and generally just a really nice atmosphere. I was only slightly annoyed at them having to cancel the Trams in the city centre because they rangers fans weren't sensible enough to stay off the tracks!!

I went in at 9am and there were thousands of people carrying 18 packs of Carlinon each shoulder and drinking on the grass - crazy!!

Here are some pictures I took near the town hall.

I don't know the guy walking past in the last one is though!

EDIT- If I was thinking I should have bought some buisiness cards with my site URL on!

-null- · 15-05-08, 07:09 PM

Thats the thing though, it could have ended up being known as a great party. 200,000 thousand fans seeing their team in Europe but instead it will be remembered as the night the Rangers fans rioted in Manchester even if it was only a few hundred of them.

chigley · 15-05-08, 07:40 PM

What opened my eyes was footage of this bloke who didn't want any trouble. Riot police just charged at him, and a police dog bit his leg out of place. If they didn't want trouble, they didn't deserve it in my opinion.

I wouldn't point the finger at Scotland either. Just football hooligans in general.

Simmo · 15-05-08, 08:53 PM

It's a minority who've ruined it for the rest.

Just idiotic hooliganism and it's not nice seeing it.

-null- · 15-05-08, 09:07 PM

The footage I saw was of the police running from the crowd, one fell and the crowd swooped on him like animals taking down weak prey.

Suppose there is two sides to every story.

The Bear · 15-05-08, 09:44 PM

pretty shameful spectacle, but don't be ashamed to be Scottish.

Football hooligans aren't the worst aspect of being Scottish in any case

but seriously, they're not fans, they're pitiful, shameful, brainless thugs who should be barred entry from any football ground in my opinion.

wolf · 15-05-08, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by biker14

Disgusting, they should all be sent to prison. Wishful thinking, that will never happen though!

Yeah because England's away game football support have a spotless record...right?

Wrong, football hooliganism is everywhere, this isn't an isolated incident, it just disgusts you guys in particular because it happened in your own country and you didnt get a piece of the action.

I'm not condoning it, i'm just trying to show that it's not an uncommon occurance.

wolf · 15-05-08, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

pretty shameful spectacle, but don't be ashamed to be Scottish.

Football hooligans aren't the worst aspect of being Scottish in any case

but seriously, they're not fans, they're pitiful, shameful, brainless thugs who should be barred entry from any football ground in my opinion.

Sorry but, what exactly is that supposed to mean?

scudbook · 15-05-08, 10:20 PM

A few of my mates where down for the game so i'll get their views on it tomorrow.

Its been said before but the minority ruin it for the majority.

R.I.P Tommy Burns

-null- · 15-05-08, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf359

Sorry but, what exactly is that supposed to mean?

He means having to live with the English as our only land locked neighbours

bmh16 · 16-05-08, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chigley

What opened my eyes was footage of this bloke who didn't want any trouble. Riot police just charged at him, and a police dog bit his leg out of place. If they didn't want trouble, they didn't deserve it in my opinion.

I wouldn't point the finger at Scotland either. Just football hooligans in general.

If he was attacked there was surely a reason for it. Perhaps he had done something earlier and then recognised?

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Originally Posted by -0707-

The footage I saw was of the police running from the crowd, one fell and the crowd swooped on him like animals taking down weak prey.

Suppose there is two sides to every story.

That was what I saw firstly and couldn't believe it. And then there was a chav filming it on his mobile phone ... So glad tht police man got away in the end!

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Originally Posted by wolf359

Yeah because England's away game football support have a spotless record...right?

Wrong, football hooliganism is everywhere, this isn't an isolated incident, it just disgusts you guys in particular because it happened in your own country and you didnt get a piece of the action.

I'm not condoning it, i'm just trying to show that it's not an uncommon occurance.

Was that aimed at me? If so, i would like to point out:
(1) I'm not English
(2) Of course all nations have their hooligans. I've seen it enough times in Wales!
(3) All hooligans should be sent to prison which is what i said, and not just the Scottish as you interpreted from my previous reply. But also i said that will never happen.
(4) I know it's a small minority - It's a small minority in every nation, but at the end of the day they are hooligans, which spoil it for for the overwhelming majority.

-null- · 16-05-08, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by biker14

If he was attacked there was surely a reason for it. Perhaps he had done something earlier and then recognised?

He may just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think that often in cases like this, a group start rioting and those unfortunate enough to be in the same area are assumed to be involved even when they aren't.

stubbs · 16-05-08, 10:35 AM

saw the pictures last night on tele

It was a warzone!!!

dav2612 · 16-05-08, 11:12 AM

After reading about the number of arrests I was surprised to see the numbers involved when watching the footage.

I'm sure some went down to Manchester with intent to cause a bit of trouble but a good few will have just got caught up in it and I just can't understand the mentality of these people, why go from having a good time to then attacking the police?

The Rangers fans went from being complimented by the Italian police after the semi final to those scenes in Manchester.

It wouldn't have stopped anything but I read that the Beer tents opened at 10am and did a roaring trade from the first minute... that can't have helped. The thugs would get alcohol no matter what but it would have been less freely available and perhaps not so many would have got involved. The Old Firm games in Glasgow are lunchtime kick offs wherever possible to stop people getting as trashed before hand... it's sad that it has to be this way but you can't trust all of them just to have a good time so as usual the majority lose out.

As for the stabbing in the ground, what's the checklist for going to a game these days:

wallet... check
ticket... check
knife... check

Mindless morons the lot of them.

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-null- iBook Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,173 Thanks: 610 Thanked 363 Times in 321 Posts	Re: I have never been more ashamed to be scottish The footage I saw was of the police running from the crowd, one fell and the crowd swooped on him like animals taking down weak prey. Suppose there is two sides to every story. __________________ Spoiler Working on: Whatever I can get enough referrals for Received: Playstation 3 GTA IV Bundle £185 Amazon Vouchers Metal Gear Solid 4 for PS3 Wii Fit Cooking Guide: Can't Decide What to Eat? for Nintendo DS + £5 Amazon Voucher £140 Amazon Vouchers - 2nd place prize, Exceem Video Competition 2GB iPod Shuffle - Kudos 1st Anniversary Competition Total: £820~ Free Nintendo Wii - Guide to getting a Nintendo Wii free, includes no credit card information Gadget Giveaway - Guide to getting a free Playstation 3, Wii, iPod, iPhone 3G, HDTV and more
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